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    Sasuke Vs. Minato

    So I've seen all the threads about this topic and everybody taking sides either for Minato or Sasuke. In this thread I will try to be as unbiased as possible. I will compare known techniques of each and assess which would trump others. As well as rate the characters on speed, strengths, and experience when possible. Please feel free to disagree or provide insight. If you think a statement is false or bias call me out on it and provide your thought/details.

    Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Sasuke I feel would have difficulty with this match up I feel. Not knowing what Minato's abilities except for a very few make this harder to assess.

    Amaterasu (Long-range) would not be valuable to Sasuke in a long range match up here. As we have seen before it is vision based, but we have seen Sasuke out run it versus Itachi for a short time in their fight. It eventually caught up with him and Sasuke resorted to the snake rebirth to avoid death. This catching up with Minato would never be an issue due to his FTG. Also one might ask what would happen if it did hit Minato? Well to answer this think back to when Sasuke involuntarily used this technique on Obito after he first gained his MS. Obito used Kumui to warp away and leave the flames to fizzle. Since the flames did not contact anything they died out, this is the seemingly only way because they burn anything and everything they touch until it is gone.

    So FTG > Amaterasu (Long-range).

    Amaterasu (Shield) This is an ability we have only seen Sasuke have and it is a very good technique and a big reason why this would not be an insta-kill for Minato. Sasuke would have to rely on this and would be able to stop Minato from hurting him. This also is making the assumption how ever so stupid that Minato has no long range capabilities. Again Minato could just warp away from the flames, and take insignificant damage. If you are wondering why only insignificant read wikipedia on the leidenfrost effect. Also Minato can create giant rasengans so if Sasuke didnt distance the flames far enough he could take life ending damage.

    Amaterasu (Shield) ~= FTG

    Susanoo This is something Minato would have issues with, but only in penetrating it's defense. Minato out-classes Susanoo's speed in any possible way and scenario. This would be a time game with Sasuke losing large amounts of chakra for almost no gain. The arrows and Yasaka Magatama are not going to catch Minato in any possible realm of imagination.

    FTG > Susanoo by far. So much so that it is in Sasuke's benefit not to use it.

    Hawk Summon This is something I only mention for the sake of thoroughness. Toad summons or FTG + Rasengan easily crush this. There is not point to this summoning. Remember we are only going off of known abilities so the toads can use jutsu and we have not seen this from the hawks.

    Multiple > Hawk Summon

    Tsukuyomi is a technique that didn't even work against Danzo due to Sasuke not having enough prowess. His version doesn't last for as long and doesn't dilate time. It requires a huge amount of chakra and needs eye contact. Minato coming from a generation that had many Uchiha still alive would know they are avid genjutsu users and not look into their eyes. In this case Minato wins again. Minato was dead before the Uchiha massacre and probably at least sparred with Uchiha and probably had Uchiha friends.

    FTG + Experience with Uchiha > Tsukuyomi.

    Kirin This technique is so overrated I usually laugh. Kirin is only controlling a normal Lightning bolt, normal people live through getting struck every year. Yes this is strong, but consider the fact that Itachi tanked it with Susanoo which he had enough time to perform when he knew what was happening. This Susanoo was very weak and this was from Itachi not having almost any chakra left. It seems that Itachi would not have even lost the Susanoo cloak if he had more chakra. This technique also has to have extremely specific conditions, and ones that are not easy to make. Sasuke only got the fire jutsu off because Itachi was far away and couldn't just warp behind him and rasengan him like minato can and would. Kirin if it hit would most likely stop Minato though, but at this point that is unlikely. Also for those of you that mention the speed of light remember that if Itachi could react in a weakened state, Minato with a much faster reaction time would easily just warp away.

    FTG > Kirin unless Sasuke gets extremely lucky with Minato off guard.

    Sasuke would have huge difficulty with this fight and i see only one way of Sasuke winning and it would have to play out like this:

    Sasuke fights Minato using Amaterasu (Shield) up while firing off normal fire jutsu to the clouds. Relying on Minato not having Long-Range anything.
    ^This could be trumpted at anytime by Minato warping behind sasuke and immediately throwing a teleport kunai at Sasuke. This would end in 2 ways Sasuke is burned by the kunai lighting and setting him on fire or Sasuke turns off the fire and opens a spot for Minato to directly warp to un-hurt and finish him off.

    Sasuke builds up enough clouds to preform the technique. This next part has to work very fast and sasuke has to do it perfectly Sasuke would then have to get Minato to look into his eyes possibly by some clone jutsu. He would have to cast Tsukuyomi and then in the small time Minato is trapped cast Kirin while they are most likely within 5 ft and cast Susanoo to make sure he doesn't get hit as well. Then when Kirin hits Minato due to him being under genjutsu he would finish him off with an arrow from Susanoo or Yasaka Magatama ending the fight.

    This battle would be near impossible and have to go perfectly and quickly in order to work. Any excess stamina drain from Sasuke would be the end of him as well as any mistake, but he could pull it off.

    DISCLAIMER-----This wouldn't do anything to an EDO Minato, in which case Sasuke has absolutely no way of stopping him due to lack of sealing techniques. Also Minato could just be burned and go straight through shield. I decided to give Sasuke a fair human v. human fight because the fight would never happen anyway and I wanted to compare actual abilities not hax-I-cannot-die-lol-no-jutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Sasuke wins this, Susanoo eats Rasengan for breakfast.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    sasuke wins
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    minato stomps on sasuke completely.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Minato
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by i OblivioN i View Post
    Sasuke wins this, Susanoo eats Rasengan for breakfast.
    Susanoo This is something Minato would have issues with, but only in penetrating it's defense. Minato out-classes Susanoo's speed in any possible way and scenario. This would be a time game with Sasuke losing large amounts of chakra for almost no gain. The arrows and Yasaka Magatama are not going to catch Minato in any possible realm of imagination.

    FTG > Susanoo by far. So much so that it is in Sasuke's benefit not to use it.

    Like I said Susanoo could never hit Minato just like Minato would never hit Sasuke. It's a standoff but with Sasuke losing giant amounts of chakra.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    People need to answer this: How can Minato strike a Susanoo user from within especially since the user can cover himself in Enton?

    Sasuke wins with med-high difficulty depending if he uses smart tactics.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Bias.......bias everywhere.
    Sasuke wins low-mid dif. It won't take long for Sasuke to analyze Minato's abilities and tactics since he has so few. Minato is also great at finding an opponent's weakness, but Sasuke's arsenal is huge, so Sasuke would always be able to surprise Minato.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    People need to answer this: How can Minato strike a Susanoo user from within especially since the user can cover himself in Enton?

    Sasuke wins with med-high difficulty depending if he uses smart tactics.

    I gave my way of sasuke winning what is yours?
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Minato wins
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiLeeHatake View Post
    Bias.......bias everywhere.
    Sasuke wins low-mid dif. It won't take long for Sasuke to analyze Minato's abilities and tactics since he has so few. Minato is also great at finding an opponent's weakness, but Sasuke's arsenal is huge, so Sasuke would always be able to surprise Minato.
    People worship Minato to insane heights!
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiLeeHatake View Post
    Bias.......bias everywhere.
    Sasuke wins low-mid dif. It won't take long for Sasuke to analyze Minato's abilities and tactics since he has so few. Minato is also great at finding an opponent's weakness, but Sasuke's arsenal is huge, so Sasuke would always be able to surprise Minato.
    I've gone over Sasuke's arsenal and given a way for him to win. If you find fault in any of the sections can you give details and i will edit if appropriate.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    sasuke cant touch minato, sasuke will know minato moves, but sasukes sharringan cannot keep up wiith minatos FTG, also, minato can sense chakra, and he has summons
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    This isn't a very accurate way of judging who would win. You can't assume Minato has fought Uchiha before since he was born into an era of domestic peace between the Uchiha and village. The Uchiha were in charge of the Police Force. Also, "Sasuke fights Minato using Amaterasu (Shield) up while firing off normal fire jutsu to the clouds. Relying on Minato not having Long-Range anything.
    ^This could be trumpted at anytime by Minato warping behind sasuke and immediately throwing a teleport kunai at Sasuke. This would end in 2 ways Sasuke is burned by the kunai lighting and setting him on fire or Sasuke turns off the fire and opens a spot for Minato to directly warp to un-hurt and finish him off.
    " <<< WTF did I just read? Are you stating that Minato can throw kunai through Amaterasu Shield? It can't.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by nagger97 View Post
    sasuke cant touch minato, sasuke will know minato moves, but sasukes sharringan cannot keep up wiith minatos FTG, also, minato can sense chakra, and he has summons
    Funny, Sasuke can't touch Minato! Minato can't touch Sasuke either! Also, Minato using S/T techniques which means that his speed is only increased thanks to his S/T kunai. If Sasuke can formulate a plan for that part itself. He will beat Minato in the end.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    People need to answer this: How can Minato strike a Susanoo user from within especially since the user can cover himself in Enton?

    Sasuke wins with med-high difficulty depending if he uses smart tactics.
    minato doesnt have to sit there and try to destroy susanoo... he can just dodge while sasuke uses enormous amounts of chakra hiding in it while trying to kill minato (which since he got his ems is very in sasuke's nature, since now that he has all that power he has shown nothing but stupid tactics that try to overpower ppl instead of outsmart them, even in the danzo fight he didnt really outsmart danzo he simply over powered him)... due to ftg, i do not see a way of sasuke killling minato, the most he could do is make minato retreat for a while....
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Sasuke mid dif
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    the OP stated his opinion, so all you guys saying "sasuke wins low diff" state how he would win so easily...

    the way i see it, we probably only know about 20% of minato's techniques, and going by that, he is just too much for sasuke, now imagine the 80% we don't know about.

    you sasuke fanboys are just something....never ceases to impress...
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Easy Minato can make seals as we have seen him do before and teleport near the user easliy and Rasaengan his ass to hell..Why is it people think Sasuke can jkus man handle anyone so quickly? Why cuz he beat Danzo or he killed a crippled Oro..Come on lets be real about it.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaTobito View Post
    So I've seen all the threads about this topic and everybody taking sides either for Minato or Sasuke. In this thread I will try to be as unbiased as possible. I will compare known techniques of each and assess which would trump others. As well as rate the characters on speed, strengths, and experience when possible. Please feel free to disagree or provide insight. If you think a statement is false or bias call me out on it and provide your thought/details.

    Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Sasuke I feel would have difficulty with this match up I feel. Not knowing what Minato's abilities except for a very few make this harder to assess.

    Amaterasu (Long-range) would not be valuable to Sasuke in a long range match up here. As we have seen before it is vision based, but we have seen Sasuke out run it versus Itachi for a short time in their fight. It eventually caught up with him and Sasuke resorted to the snake rebirth to avoid death. This catching up with Minato would never be an issue due to his FTG. Also one might ask what would happen if it did hit Minato? Well to answer this think back to when Sasuke involuntarily used this technique on Obito after he first gained his MS. Obito used Kumui to warp away and leave the flames to fizzle. Since the flames did not contact anything they died out, this is the seemingly only way because they burn anything and everything they touch until it is gone.

    So FTG > Amaterasu (Long-range).

    Amaterasu (Shield) This is an ability we have only seen Sasuke have and it is a very good technique and a big reason why this would not be an insta-kill for Minato. Sasuke would have to rely on this and would be able to stop Minato from hurting him. This also is making the assumption how ever so stupid that Minato has no long range capabilities. Again Minato could just warp away from the flames, and take insignificant damage. If you are wondering why only insignificant read wikipedia on the leidenfrost effect. Also Minato can create giant rasengans so if Sasuke didnt distance the flames far enough he could take life ending damage.

    Amaterasu (Shield) ~= FTG

    Susanoo This is something Minato would have issues with, but only in penetrating it's defense. Minato out-classes Susanoo's speed in any possible way and scenario. This would be a time game with Sasuke losing large amounts of chakra for almost no gain. The arrows and Yasaka Magatama are not going to catch Minato in any possible realm of imagination.

    FTG > Susanoo by far. So much so that it is in Sasuke's benefit not to use it.

    Hawk Summon This is something I only mention for the sake of thoroughness. Toad summons or FTG + Rasengan easily crush this. There is not point to this summoning. Remember we are only going off of known abilities so the toads can use jutsu and we have not seen this from the hawks.

    Multiple > Hawk Summon

    Tsukuyomi is a technique that didn't even work against Danzo due to Sasuke not having enough prowess. His version doesn't last for as long and doesn't dilate time. It requires a huge amount of chakra and needs eye contact. Minato coming from a generation that had many Uchiha still alive would know they are avid genjutsu users and not look into their eyes. In this case Minato wins again. Minato was dead before the Uchiha massacre and probably at least sparred with Uchiha and probably had Uchiha friends.

    FTG + Experience with Uchiha > Tsukuyomi.

    Kirin This technique is so overrated I usually laugh. Kirin is only controlling a normal Lightning bolt, normal people live through getting struck every year. Yes this is strong, but consider the fact that Itachi tanked it with Susanoo which he had enough time to perform when he knew what was happening. This Susanoo was very weak and this was from Itachi not having almost any chakra left. It seems that Itachi would not have even lost the Susanoo cloak if he had more chakra. This technique also has to have extremely specific conditions, and ones that are not easy to make. Sasuke only got the fire jutsu off because Itachi was far away and couldn't just warp behind him and rasengan him like minato can and would. Kirin if it hit would most likely stop Minato though, but at this point that is unlikely. Also for those of you that mention the speed of light remember that if Itachi could react in a weakened state, Minato with a much faster reaction time would easily just warp away.

    FTG > Kirin unless Sasuke gets extremely lucky with Minato off guard.

    Sasuke would have huge difficulty with this fight and i see only one way of Sasuke winning and it would have to play out like this:

    Sasuke fights Minato using Amaterasu (Shield) up while firing off normal fire jutsu to the clouds. Relying on Minato not having Long-Range anything.
    ^This could be trumpted at anytime by Minato warping behind sasuke and immediately throwing a teleport kunai at Sasuke. This would end in 2 ways Sasuke is burned by the kunai lighting and setting him on fire or Sasuke turns off the fire and opens a spot for Minato to directly warp to un-hurt and finish him off.

    Sasuke builds up enough clouds to preform the technique. This next part has to work very fast and sasuke has to do it perfectly Sasuke would then have to get Minato to look into his eyes possibly by some clone jutsu. He would have to cast Tsukuyomi and then in the small time Minato is trapped cast Kirin while they are most likely within 5 ft and cast Susanoo to make sure he doesn't get hit as well. Then when Kirin hits Minato due to him being under genjutsu he would finish him off with an arrow from Susanoo or Yasaka Magatama ending the fight.

    This battle would be near impossible and have to go perfectly and quickly in order to work. Any excess stamina drain from Sasuke would be the end of him as well as any mistake, but he could pull it off.

    DISCLAIMER-----This wouldn't do anything to an EDO Minato, in which case Sasuke has absolutely no way of stopping him due to lack of sealing techniques. Also Minato could just be burned and go straight through shield. I decided to give Sasuke a fair human v. human fight because the fight would never happen anyway and I wanted to compare actual abilities not hax-I-cannot-die-lol-no-jutsu.
    Amaterasu is instant in getting to wherever the user is focusing. Short range, mid range, and long range don't matter. It reaches the point of focus at the same time no matter the distance. The matter of whether the flames would stay on Minato or not once he has teleported is debatable. We don't know if that mechanic of FTG works the same as Kamui.

    so FTG vs Amaterasu is questionable.

    Amaterasu shield and Blaze release completely stop any attempts for close range combat for Minato as long as Susanoo is up. Even without the shield, nothing that Minato has shown would be able to get through even Susanoo's ribs. Naruto's super giant rasengan wasn't even able to put a dent in Madara's Susanoo's ribs so a normal rasengan from Minato isn't going to be able to get through Sasuke's. Even without Susanoo up, Minato would have a hard time hitting Sasuke due to his sharingan. He doesn't fight the same way as Obito, who relied on intangibility and Kamui to warp people. If Sasuke has intel on Minato's FTG, then he wouldn't allow an opening by letting the special kunai to get near him. It would be difficult for Sasuke to hit Minato due to his extremely fast reaction speed, even with Susanoo's attack speed being high.

    FTG and high reaction speed = Susanoo, Rasengan < Susanoo

    Sasuke can use his Hawk summonings to avoid FTG kunai. If Minato summons any toads, they will eat Amaterasu instantly.

    So Minato's summonings and counters < Sasuke's summonings and counters

    I believe that the only reason that Danzo was able to break out of Sasuke's genjutsu is because he had the sharingan (multiple in fact). Sasuke was able to immobilize Bee, who is a very good shinobi, and the only reason he was able to get out of it was because of Gyuki. Remember how Sasuke's genjutsu affected C.

    Minato < Sasuke's genjutsu

    I'm not sure what you mean about Minato's thrown kunai burning Sasuke (maybe it catches on fire while going through the Ama shield?) but it is nonsense. Sasuke has Susanoo up when using Ama shield. Nothing that Minato has shown can get through Sasuke's Susanoo ribs (except Reaper death seal). Sasuke could easily prepare the conditions for Kirin at the beginning of the fight by throwing up Susanoo ribs and firing off an Ama cirlce around himself and fire dragons into the air. Lightning is a lot faster than lets say A, who Minato was barely able to react to (although reacting to his speed is very impressive nonetheless). Minato can dodge the lightning if constantly using FTG from kunai to kunai, but I don't think he would be able to react quick enough if stationary and then seeing the lightning come down as it strikes. The area of effect and intensity of Kirin is greater than a normal lightning bolt, so if Minato gets hit he is dead. It is possible that if Minato knows what is happening with Kirin, he can set up a S/T barrier to redirect it to Sasuke.

    FTG and reaction speed > Kirin with intel but a nonfactor without.

    Overall, I think it comes down to how much the combatants know about each other and whether or not FTG works the same as Kamui in regards it sticking during teleportation. If they both know about each other's arsenals and Ama doesn't stick, I say that Sasuke wins win a awesome and intellectual battle. If Ama sticks then Minato has nothing he can do against it and loses in a less spectacular way. If Sasuke doesn't know anything about FTG, then Minato gets a sneak attack in a wins instantly. I don't think that Sasuke would be able to get Susanoo up in time once he realizes that Minato is near him (probably at his side or behind) since Obito wasn't able to go intangible fast enough either.

    @ Sazzi: In regards to your last post, Sasuke has used Susanoo to over power people against the Raikage, who's speed and power made Susanoo necessary and Danzo, who needed to be pressured to constantly use Izanagi and Susanoo's attack speed and range was the best suited for this. Neither of these people are normal, especially Danzo with his extra lives.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    minato FTW
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    minat rapes sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    ftg->ftg->ftg->ftg->sauske out of chakara
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by crono0929 View Post
    the OP stated his opinion, so all you guys saying "sasuke wins low diff" state how he would win so easily...

    the way i see it, we probably only know about 20% of minato's techniques, and going by that, he is just too much for sasuke, now imagine the 80% we don't know about.

    you sasuke fanboys are just something....never ceases to impress...
    Your in no position to criticize "Sasuke Fanboys." Minato Fanboys tend to be worse than Itachi Fanboys!
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke Vs. Minato

    To be honest we won't know who will win i know there is alot of speculation that Sasuke will win and all this but during the 3rd Great War Minato had a flee-on-sight reputation. But not only that but Minato's greatest strength is how quickly he can deduce the enemies jutsu.

    although i would like to think Minato would win, i feel sasuke has surpassed the 3rd, 4th Orochimaru and the current Kage, but isn't on the same level as Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama and even Madara.
     
         

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