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    Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Any Senju could of learned Mokuton! Why? Let me break it down.



    1. What is Mokuton?

    Basically it's a new chakra nature that utilizes proficiency in water and earth chakra natures. It falls under the catgeory of a kekkei genkai aswell.

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    "Wood Release (木遁, Mokuton; English TV "Wood Style") is an advanced nature kekkei genkai that combines earth and water-based chakra natures to create wood, or complete trees." - Naruto Wiki





    2. They key word above was kekkei genkai, now what is a kekkei genkai?

    A kekkei genkai is a technique passed down to you from your ancestors that gives you special abilities. Nature kekkei genkais are techniques that utilize two chakra natures.

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    "Kekkei genkai (血継限界; Literally meaning "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit") are abilities passed down genetically within specific clans." - Naruto Wiki





    So basically since Moukton is a kekkei genkai, any Senju could have learned it.

    3. Why didn't more Senju have the ability then?

    Well what was passed down wasn't the Moukton technique it's self, but the ability to perform the technique. From what we have seen shinobi from the Senju are very proficient in the chakra natures they posses. An example of that is Tobirama, he was hailed as the most proficient water technique user to have ever existed.



    If Tobirama has mastered earth nature manipulation aswell as he had with water nature he could of performed Moukton aswell.

    That leads to another point where I believe that Hashirama had just as good if not better water manipulation as Tobirama! But what differentiated him was his proficiency in earth style aswell.

    It was the fact that Hashi was such a genius that he could master his two chakra elements to an extent that he could use Moukton.

    The "Physical energy" that the Senju inherited is the key to use Moukton.





    The whole point i'm trying to get across is that, Moukton is not limited to Hashirama only! Any Senju could have learned it if they mastered those two chakra elements.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    No, they couldn't. You don't learn a KKG. Even if they had both elements they couldn't just learn mokuton.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    a valid point + rep
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by AP2k View Post
    No, they couldn't. You don't learn a KKG. Even if they had both elements they couldn't just learn mokuton.
    Since when is Kekkai Genkai limited to one person, it's a BLOODLINE inheritance, if they're in the bloodline they can learn it.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by UchiHaHaHa View Post
    Any Senju could of learned Mokuton! Why? Let me break it down.



    1. What is Mokuton?

    Basically it's a new chakra nature that utilizes proficiency in water and earth chakra natures. It falls under the catgeory of a kekkei genkai aswell.

    REFERENCES

    "Wood Release (木遁, Mokuton; English TV "Wood Style") is an advanced nature kekkei genkai that combines earth and water-based chakra natures to create wood, or complete trees." - Naruto Wiki





    2. They key word above was kekkei genkai, now what is a kekkei genkai?

    A kekkei genkai is a technique passed down to you from your ancestors that gives you special abilities. Nature kekkei genkais are techniques that utilize two chakra natures.

    REFERENCES

    "Kekkei genkai (血継限界; Literally meaning "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit") are abilities passed down genetically within specific clans." - Naruto Wiki





    So basically since Moukton is a kekkei genkai, any Senju could have learned it.

    3. Why didn't more Senju have the ability then?

    Well what was passed down wasn't the Moukton technique it's self, but the ability to perform the technique. From what we have seen shinobi from the Senju are very proficient in the chakra natures they posses. An example of that is Tobirama, he was hailed as the most proficient water technique user to have ever existed.



    If Tobirama has mastered earth nature manipulation aswell as he had with water nature he could of performed Moukton aswell.

    That leads to another point where I believe that Hashirama had just as good if not better water manipulation as Tobirama! But what differentiated him was his proficiency in earth style aswell.

    It was the fact that Hashi was such a genius that he could master his two chakra elements to an extent that he could use Moukton.

    The "Physical energy" that the Senju inherited is the key to use Moukton.





    The whole point i'm trying to get across is that, Moukton is not limited to Hashirama only! Any Senju could have learned it if they mastered those two chakra elements.
    No.kishi stated very clearly that mokuton was unique to hashi and hashi alone
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    True, all the conditions would be met with any Senju clan member,
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    No.kishi stated very clearly that mokuton was unique to hashi and hashi alone
    Can you show me where he stated that?
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    this is cool..and i dont meant to disrespect but i think it was idiosyncratic trait of only the first and only him....like how it was kimmimaru's only bone tech...or haku's ice mirrors...feel me?
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by COLONELJJ81 View Post
    this is cool..and i dont meant to disrespect but i think it was idiosyncratic trait of only the first and only him....like how it was kimmimaru's only bone tech...or haku's ice mirrors...feel me?
    That maybe true and that might be the case, It's a theory non the less and we probably won't ever find out if it's true or not.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by COLONELJJ81 View Post
    this is cool..and i dont meant to disrespect but i think it was idiosyncratic trait of only the first and only him....like how it was kimmimaru's only bone tech...or haku's ice mirrors...feel me?
    Kimmimaru wasn't the only who could use Kaguya stuff. He had a whole clan O_o

    They just happened to be crazy and so got killed by Kiri ninjas during an attack.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    If all you needed was a "mastery" of the two elements, this would then apply to all other mix elements and then we'd have to accept that people like Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Itachi, etc. never mastered their secondary (and tertiary) elements, which is why they couldn't combine them to form the mixed solution. And continuing with this logic, we'd then have to accept that Haku as a little boy mastered both Fuuton and Suiton, in order to make Hyouton (and kill his father) whereas the aforementioned shinobi did not during the span of their entire life... This doesn't really sound plausible to me.

    Also, you have to consider that everyone was after Hashirama's DNA. If such was the case, they would have been fine with any Senjuu's DNA in order to perform Mokouton, and yet they all went after Shodaime's.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    false. Not every uchiha had sharingan, not everyone in kimmimaros clan had his bone technique. and not everyone in hakus. family had ice release. if hakus mom had ice release she wouldn't have been murdered by her husband. that's speculation but the other stuff is manga fact. Its special to awaken a kkg and hashiramas is particularly rare that's why people implant cells. no one is implanting dead uchiha or hyuuga cells guess why cause hashiramas talent is hard to acquire. If every senju had the potential people wouldn't just implant hashirama cells they would get them from any of the senju cells maybe from a young tsunade
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasJeffersonwasasadist View Post
    false. Not every uchiha had sharingan, not everyone in kimmimaros clan had his bone technique. and not everyone in hakus. family had ice release. if hakus mom had ice release she wouldn't have been murdered by her husband. that's speculation but the other stuff is manga fact. Its special to awaken a kkg and hashiramas is particularly rare that's why people implant cells. no one is implanting dead uchiha or hyuuga cells guess why cause hashiramas talent is hard to acquire. If every senju had the potential people wouldn't just implant hashirama cells they would get them from any of the senju cells maybe from a young tsunade
    what's this about the Sharingan?
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    If it were that easy to learn their still be Senju now instead of Tsunade being the last Senju, Orochimaru would not have need of using the First Hokage DNA on Yamato to recreated a lost power now would He.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    This thread is wrong
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    The reason they went after Hashi's cells is because he already mastered everything, his cells are the best...Why would they go after cells that only had the potential to develop this? And also the whole logic is that since it's a kekkei genkai it can be used by not only Hashi...it wasn't stated only Hashi could develop it.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Someone did not pay enough attention in his biology class. There are some inheritance traits that are not passed down to the next generation. Google "dominant and recessive traits" for more information
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Taluannhan is 100% correct Dominant and Receive Genes Biology 101, it's the reason why not everyone in your family or any other have the same hight,weight,hair or eye color, or why Tim is stronger than Tom or Jim is faster than Sam even if their all brothers by the same father and mother.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    I think people are missing the point. I think what he means is that it's not impossible for another person to be born with the ability to use the Mokuton, Hashirama just happened to be the only one born with this. Let's say the ability to use Mokuton is recessive, eventually it is diluted through generations. No one knows if any ancestor of Hashirama had it and if they did they certainly didn't use it to the extent he did and that's why they aren't mentioned. All he's saying is kekkei genkai are NOT limited to people directly related but people with similar lineage - like SELECT members of Haku's clan - and even people who are not necessarily related.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    also anyone can steal ms eyes too and uses them aka kahashi.

    also ur wrong because its a bloodline limit u cant learn those.
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Can Sasuke learn Kamui?
     
         

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    Re: Any Senju could of learned Mokuton

    Aside from genetics limiting the possible number of candidates, your forgetting it is isn't about mastery. It has been stated that Kekkei Genkai (elemental ones) are the simultaneous molding of two different chakra natures at the same time. It cannot be learned, it must be inherited. For there to ever be another Mokuton user, there'd be criteria. (1) Kishi would have to allow it. (2) They'd have to be of Senju lineage. (3) They would need both Doton and Suiton. (4) They'd have to be able use both elements simultaneously. (5) 3 does not necessarily mean 4.

    The Senju clan also didn't have a specialty in Doton or Suiton. They were said to simply be a clan of a thousand skills. Hence why one was a world renown Genjustsu user and Tobirama a great Space-Time Ninjustu user.

    Kimimaro was referred to by Orochimaru as the most powerful member of the Kaguya clan, having "abilities that even his war-loving clan feared". Because of this, he was locked away in a cage for most of his life, only released occasionally when needed to fight other clans.
     
         
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