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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Boskarta View Post
    Kamui can take out a whole Bijuu.

    Kakashi used it to teleport a transformed Bee.

    Gaara's sand shield is limited his actual sand only has enough to make that sphere around him.
    A Bijuu is way bigger than a tiny sand sphere.
    Meaning Kakashi can send Gaara and his shield right in to the next dimension.

    That's not a win though over time yeah because Gaara would obviously die of old age.
    However Gaara would be away from the ground and any extra sand meaning just his sand shield sand.
    Kakashi can warp in to the dimension, use the first gate, Raikiri through the sand shield and kill Gaara.

    Raikiri is a more powerful penetrating technique than Chidori, which could get through the sand.
    Raikiri would go through it like it was butter.

    Kakashi wins this.
    after wrapping the bijuu Kakashi was exhausted and this was after receiving chakra fully restored. So seeing as Garra likes starting with a Tsunami, Kakashi wrapping that would exhaust him and he would even wrap it all.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Kakashi's stamina has increased as he was able to fight V2 jins and Obito for a long period of time and he has improved with his use of Kamui lately using it at least 4 or 5 times a day now. He has the advantage in Ninjutsu as his speed in hand seals was unreadable from Naruto and Sakura who came back from two and a half years training with two of the Legendary Sannnin. His Intelligence is said to surpass a tactical genius such as Shikamaru Nara PartI, and his taijutsu is said to surpass PatI Rock Lee who gave Gaara trouble. And Kakashi always has a plan in battle and analyses his opponents abilities and usually uses a clone to test the opponent before confronting them and was able to figure out how to harm Obito and only two people before him were able to figure this out Konan and Minato. He would be able to analyse Gaara's strategy and then capitilise on it using distrations such as Lightining beast running jutsu or Water Dragon jutsu then using a Lightning clone he would use Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique to rob Gaara of his freedom then Kamui him.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Izuna Kakashi Senju View Post
    Kakashi's stamina has increased as he was able to fight V2 jins and Obito for a long period of time and he has improved with his use of Kamui lately using it at least 4 or 5 times a day now. He has the advantage in Ninjutsu as his speed in hand seals was unreadable from Naruto and Sakura who came back from two and a half years training with two of the Legendary Sannnin. His Intelligence is said to surpass a tactical genius such as Shikamaru Nara PartI, and his taijutsu is said to surpass PatI Rock Lee who gave Gaara trouble. And Kakashi always has a plan in battle and analyses his opponents abilities and usually uses a clone to test the opponent before confronting them and was able to figure out how to harm Obito and only two people before him were able to figure this out Konan and Minato. He would be able to analyse Gaara's strategy and then capitilise on it using distrations such as Lightining beast running jutsu or Water Dragon jutsu then using a Lightning clone he would use Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique to rob Gaara of his freedom then Kamui him.
    U say it like its that simple
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTailedSage View Post
    U say it like its that simple
    I'm not saying it will be simple whoever wins will win with high edging to extreme diff
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTailedSage View Post
    Firstly I would be lying if I said gaara stomps but I think high difficuly for gaara since the radius of his sand is roughly a meter judging from the gaara rock lee fight however he can extend it; even if kakashi was to break through the sans its only his hand tjats lightning infused as for his arm well its stuck in the sand.

    Kamui poses the biggest thrreat of all since it can warp sizes of a tailed beast but in saying that coulkdnt gaara just put sand infront of the kamui?? If not the arial fighting is better for him, also having said tjat if kakashi warps something that big it exasts him to the point of collapse. Sand tsunami is huge and like some people said 'kamui' , He ca only use kamui so many times and people seem to forget minerals in the ground which he can make sand from so his supply is limitless
    Agreed.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    after wrapping the bijuu Kakashi was exhausted and this was after receiving chakra fully restored. So seeing as Garra likes starting with a Tsunami, Kakashi wrapping that would exhaust him and he would even wrap it all.
    Wrong and wrong, when kyubi restaured his chakra he used :

    1 kamui on himself his whole body to come back in real dimension.
    2 giga kamui on the whole biju,1 to warp it and 1 to bring it. That's why he was exhausted.

    1 kamui is enough against Gaara and his defense.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by sasori345 View Post
    Wrong and wrong, when kyubi restaured his chakra he used :

    1 kamui on himself his whole body to come back in real dimension.
    2 giga kamui on the whole biju,1 to warp it and 1 to bring it. That's why he was exhausted.

    1 kamui is enough against Gaara and his defense.
    Gaara would bury Kakashi before he decides to use the Kamui.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug Princess Tsunade View Post
    Gaara would bury Kakashi before he decides to use the Kamui.
    And after that, he finds it was a lightning clone, Gaara get paralysed and get kamui'd
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    And after that, he finds it was a lightning clone, Gaara get paralysed and get kamui'd
    Nah, the Raiton can't paralyze the Sand Tsunami.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug Princess Tsunade View Post
    Nah, the Raiton can't paralyze the Sand Tsunami.
    Depending on the location, it's not even sure Gaara can use this jutsu. I would like to see Gaara using Sand tsunami on a bridge or if they fight on water, etc Anyway even if they are in a desert or another location that allows it to happen, sand tsunami is not happening since it's not a jutsu Gaara can spamm, but a jutsu Gaara needs some preparation and only uses it as a trump card. Kakashi would blitz and finish him with Raikiri or Raiden before he even has time to react. Even if he smh gets the chance to use the jutsu, Kakashi can still either dodge it with doton hiding mole, or simply use a substitution to escape, or use raiton to pass thru it, or even go to the other dimension. Gaara thinking he is dead let his guard down, then he come back and finish the job

    Showing jutsus without taking into consideration some parameters and believe it will help someone to win is easy. I can myself show jutsus coming from kakashi that Gaara has no counters against



    Suiton makes Gaara's sand turn to mud, so good luck Gaara
     
         
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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug Princess Tsunade View Post
    Gaara would bury Kakashi before he decides to use the Kamui.
    So you think Gaara's ultimate jutsu is faster than Kamui?

    cool story...
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Kakashi win low to mid difficulty at best.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by leebrucea View Post
    Kakashi win low to mid difficulty at best.
    How so explain don't just say low difficulty that's insulting at least mid to high
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    People forget that only the warp point is instant not the warping itself. It can be countered with throwing something at the warp point.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    kakashi does raikiri, makes a shadow clone and warps it (at incredible speed) behind gaara thus impaling him with a raikiri from behind
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by sasori345 View Post
    Wrong and wrong, when kyubi restaured his chakra he used :

    1 kamui on himself his whole body to come back in real dimension.
    2 giga kamui on the whole biju,1 to warp it and 1 to bring it. That's why he was exhausted.

    1 kamui is enough against Gaara and his defense.
    sorry what?!?! I didnt quite understand this post. Were you saying the Kybuui didnt fully restore his chakra?!?! How do you figure that??

    Regardless of why he was exhausted, the simple fact is he was done for afterwards. Garra's sand isnt one solid object like the 8-tails. The sand expands and cant simply ALL be taken within one shop,



    This was a simply Tsunami of Garr's in part 1 (do you see Kimmaru's size in comparison), and even trying to wrap the whole center stripe wouldn't be enough to consume the ENTIRE thing and the smallest pieces left about gives Garra the ability to still attack and keep himself guarded.

    I've already shown some of Garra's feats in which he keeps separated from himself, placed in front of him as a shield. Kamui wouldn't be able to wrap things that aren't in eye contact.
     
         
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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Gaara obviously,one sand tsunami ends it
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by king gaara View Post
    yeah, I dont see him countering sand waterfall. Part 1 gaara should win high diff, its too overwhelming for Kakashi too respond to.
    Part 1 Gaara would get destroyed by current Kakashi easily.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Kakashi's jutsu speed > Gaara's jutsu speed
    Kakashi is more analytic than Gaara, he will find Gaara's weakness even faster than Deidara
    Kakashi's genjutsu could end the fight as well
    Kakashi's hiding mole technique could catch Gaara from underground
    Gaara could be caught by Kakashi's raiton kage bunshin

    If he flies, Kakashi can simply snipe him with Kamui
    Some of the stuff you listed isn't working on Gaara. Even if he is put into a genjutsu, his sand will continue protecting him until he breaks out. Even still, Gaara could use his third eye or sand sensing to avoid direct eye contact with Kakashi. A raiton bunshin isn't doing much to a long ranged fighter although it is incredibly useful against a CQC fighter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Izuna Kakashi Senju View Post
    I gave an example of what Kakashi would use as when he fought Itachi(who is on kage level) he used hidden mist technique to mess up Itachi's vision and use a clone feint to attack him. Plus who apart from Gaara is kage level in the hidden sand village?
    The hidden mist was only used in the anime. Kakashi can't use the hidden mist although he should be able to since he has water release and can copy it.

    Anyway can't Kakashi use lightning chain to slice through a sand tsunami? Although I'm not sure how that will work out for him. He can also kamui himself to the other dimension to escape a sand tsunami so sand tsunamis aren't one shotting him. I guess Kakashi wins high difficulty due to recent feats, otherwise, Gaara would win with mid-high difficulty.
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    kamui.

    gg
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by sharingan67 View Post
    kamui.

    gg
    that's nonsense
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Icelerate View Post

    Some of the stuff you listed isn't working on Gaara. Even if he is put into a genjutsu, his sand will continue protecting him until he breaks out. Even still, Gaara could use his third eye or sand sensing to avoid direct eye contact with Kakashi. A raiton bunshin isn't doing much to a long ranged fighter although it is incredibly useful against a CQC fighter.

    The hidden mist was only used in the anime. Kakashi can't use the hidden mist although he should be able to since he has water release and can copy it.

    Anyway can't Kakashi use lightning chain to slice through a sand tsunami? Although I'm not sure how that will work out for him. He can also kamui himself to the other dimension to escape a sand tsunami so sand tsunamis aren't one shotting him. I guess Kakashi wins high difficulty due to recent feats, otherwise, Gaara would win with mid-high difficulty.
    Just remember kakashis charkra levels arnt as high as obitos unlike obito kakashi can't warp people multi times without getting tired easy and wen he does use kamui to warp away gaara just persistantly stays on him
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    @ ppl mentioning Kakashi's genjutsu! When ha that really been used effectively!!
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Gaara wins this
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannequin View Post
    That was called a statement. This current post is called an argument... Can you tell the difference?
    Actually you are uninformed. A statement can posit an argument. And your statement did indeed posit a passive argument so let's not be disrespectful to other members when they call you out on your argumentation
     
         

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    Re: How is Kakashi>Garra?!?! I don't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    @ ppl mentioning Kakashi's genjutsu! When ha that really been used effectively!!
    I repost what i've said concerning Kakashi's genjutsu in another thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard
    People don't understand that Kakashi rarely uses genjutsu only because most of the time we see him fighting, he fights against stronger dojutsu users than him(Itachi, Pain, Obito, Madara), or fights multiple opponents(Kakuzu and his masks, plus Hidan). All that makes the use of genjutsu in a fight meaningless. What people fail to realise is that Sharingan genjutsu is not automatic. You must know when to use it, and to use it, you must know when you make eye contact with an opponent in close combat(it's in close combat that a Sharingan genjutsu is usually effectiv).

    So when you are always in defensiv position fighting multiple opponents or in another difficult position, it's not easy to cast genjutsu. There is also the skills you need to cast them, and it's where Itachi is that great

    But remember that he made Zabuza look like a fodder with genjutsu

    This Zabuza self admitted that he needed to close his eyes because he wanted to avoid another genjutsu in the second fight:

    Gai also admitted that he created his fighting style in order to avoid Kakashi's genjutsus:

    He Knocked out two Anbu/Root level ninja working for Danzo with genjutsu by making them dreaming of Naruto for a while

    He has even shown a low level genjutsu without sharingan against Sakura where she saw a almost dying Sasuke(a genjutsu that shows something you don't want to see by hide deep in your heart):

    And Sakura is considered as a genjutsu type by Kakashi. It's that same Sakura who was able to break Kabuto's genjutsu in part1 for example.

    Databook also gives him 4.5/5 in genjutsu, which is almost the maximal amount of point in this category(in comparison, he has the same note as Sasuke). So yeah, Kakashi is clearly above average in genjutsu to say the least
     
         

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