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    World Against Gaza

    The purpose of this thread is not at all to raise a flame war, I just wanted people to know what is happening around the world, and how messed up humans can get. As the title suggests, the topic is Palestine. One of the issue in the world that still remains unresolved and justice has not been done to it. The explicit topic is Gaza War, a war that started in Late December of 2008, as a defensive measures to stop Gaza's rocket fires on Israel. The issue has a very old background but we will keep it to the context of what is newest.

    "The Gaza War, in Israel known as Operation Cast Lead (מבצע עופרת יצוקה‎) and in Gaza and by Hamas known as the Gaza Massacre (مجزرة غزة‎) or the Battle of al-Furqan [the criterion] (معركة الفرقان‎)", there is always two sides to every conflict and many people tend to look at them in the hope of finding who is right and who is wrong. If you corner a representative of one side and listen to his/her story you will find utter truth and sincerity, then you do the same with the opposing side and you will find yourself in the melancholic condition in which you are asked to judge. What we don't see is what that thing has been imposing in the present state, what is it effecting NOW?

    Gaza war is one of them, people go on talking about who is right and who is wrong but how I see it is the present that is being explicitly put forth to us. I was forced to make this thread just to tell people of the conditions in Gaza strip, what forced me was my emotions. I literally cried when I did some research to learn more about what was really happening their and many other places across the world. This is a tid bit of what I am about to show you;

    "The conflict resulted in between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (4 from friendly fire). According to the Shin Bet, subsequent to the conflict, there was a decrease of Palestinian rocket attacks. In September 2009, a UN special mission, headed by the South African Justice Richard Goldstone, produced a controversial report accusing both Palestinian militants and Israeli Defense Forces of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity, and recommended bringing those responsible to justice. In January 2010, the Israeli government released a response criticizing the Goldstone Report and disputing its findings. In 2011, Goldstone wrote that he no longer believed that Israel intentionally targeted civilians in Gaza. The other authors of the report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, rejected Goldstone's reassessment. However, the United Nations Human Rights Council did not agree and ordered Israel to conduct various repairs of the damages. On September 21, 2012, the United Nations Human Rights Council concluded that 75% of civilian homes destroyed in the attack were not rebuilt."

    I don't know about you, but when I read it, I asked myself what if that was where I lived, what if I went through that? The feeling that I suffered from just an assumption was not healthy at all, it hurt me to the most. If that is not enough, I managed to witness some of the pictures posted on various news articles in which people were holding their dead children, some did not even learn to walk yet were victims of such an inhuman act.




    And yes, these are all desperate acts to show people what is happening in some unfortunate places of the world. Facts from; Gaza War
     
         
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    Re: World Against Gaza

    lol, I was just reading some articles about the Gaza terror.



    Protest against the Israeli bombardment of Gaza in Seoul, South Korea.
     
         
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    Thank you for this threads, sadly the media is controling what ppl think nowadays =/
    Ppl should be looking for information by themselves and not just watch TV, they'll just show us what they want us to believe...
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    For the ones that are active on facebook, I recommend to add the following non-governmental information sources:

    - Truth Beckons

    - Spirit Science

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    - Expanded Consciousness

    - School isn't the answer, educate yourself

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    - NGO News
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Thanks for making this thread Blizz — As in every vicious military offensive Israel carries out in Gaza, the dominant narrative is that it is a response to rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel. This is how it’s being reported in the US, and this is how virtually every American understands it.

    And it's a lie.

    It’s true that on Saturday, prior to the expanded Israeli bombardment, the military wing of the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine shot an anti-tank missile at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle near the Gaza border, wounding four Israeli soldiers. But what prompted the firing of the anti-tank missile?

    First, on Monday, November 5th, Israeli forces shot and killed 23 year old Ahmad Nabhani when he “approached the border fence with Israel.” According to at least one account, Nabhani was mentally challenged.

    Then, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers, to be exact – invaded southern Gaza, shooting and killing a 13-year old boy. Palestinian Centre for Human Rights [via]:

    According to investigations conducted by PCHR, at approximately 16:30 on Thursday, as a result of the indiscriminate shooting by IOF military vehicles that had moved into the ‘Abassan village, 13-year-old Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was seriously wounded by a bullet to the abdomen. At the time he was shot, Ahmed had been playing football with his friends in front of his family’s house, located nearly 1,200 meters away from the area where the IOF were present.
    So, even if honest observers brush to the side the cruel and inhumane Israeli blockade on Gaza and refuse to let it influence the equation of exactly which side started this flare up of violence, it is clear Israel started this latest clash. And in response to the response, Israel has waged a harsh, disproportionate military assault.

    This would be a simple thing to understand if, for example, Western media bothered to ask the other side what happened. Palestinian news media immediately reported that the anti-tank missile Israel was supposedly responding to was admitted to by the Popular Resistance Committees, who described it as “revenge” for preceding Israeli violence on Gaza. But that basic task of honest journalism is apparently out of the question.

    Every single Israeli incursion or attack on Gaza is accompanied by the same narrative: Israel fairly responded to unprovoked Palestinian rocket fire. The last major war on Gaza, Operation Cast Lead in December ’08-January ’09, also carried this narrative. Israel committed war crimes in that one-sided conflict, targeting and killing hundreds of civilians, using indiscriminate weapons, and intentionally destroying civilian infrastructure. It has become an accepted fact – even among critics of Israel – that the offensive was a response to Hamas rocket fire. The rocket fire did indeed occur immediately before the assault, but it was in response to Israel’s breaking of the six-month cease-fire, which even Israeli officials in WikiLeaks cables admitted Hamas had kept to.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    I will pray for them. I think that's all I can do.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    The sad thing is, most of us can barely even imagine it. All we've been exposed to at most is the thrill in war inspired games and movies. Like jonaTHEninja said, I will pray for them all I can. The most we can do, is pray, educate ourselves and inform others around us from a non-judgemental view. I live in a home where the arabic news is on almost 24/7 so we have visuals of the explosives and stuff...its not pretty, and it only shames you further when you see them blame it all on the Jews. It's the select government that's causing this genocide.
    I heard yesterday they planned to cut off all communication with Gaza.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Ooh! Wish I could help :/ only thing that I can do now is pray as the two members above me said.
    Someday, I'll stop it!! (just a hope).
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    There are two sides to any war...both think they're in the right but neither is. In war, the only way to win is to get the people on your side, those that aren't fighting it. That's what counts, and as long as you have the masses on your side, you'll win...that doesn't make it right though. It's all propaganda. People on both sides are suffering equally, it's just one side has decided to win the favor of the people, that is all.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    There are two sides to any war...both think they're in the right but neither is. In war, the only way to win is to get the people on your side, those that aren't fighting it. That's what counts, and as long as you have the masses on your side, you'll win...that doesn't make it right though. It's all propaganda. People on both sides are suffering equally, it's just one side has decided to win the favor of the people, that is all.
    Agree,and those people been fighting for years.
     
         
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    Re: World Against Gaza

    The situation is actually a pitiful one, I mean children getting killed and all that, I hope it all ends soon and the tyrants put to justice, that's all I hope and besides shouldn't the UN be doing something? Yes but the UN is totally controlled by the elite who are in support of Israel. I Hope God's help and mercy comes soon.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    The UN shouldn't have cut Palestine in two in the first place.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    They been fighting for YEARS now

    The middle east has been unstable for YEARS

    Power vacuums happen quite often in the middle east as well
     
         

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    Why doesn't the U.S military stop this, we spend trillions on over seas defenses ................
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate uzumaki form View Post
    Why doesn't the U.S military stop this, we spend trillions on over seas defenses ................
    Because the US military promotes this..they assist Israel financially.
     
         
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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashflura View Post
    The sad thing is, most of us can barely even imagine it. All we've been exposed to at most is the thrill in war inspired games and movies. Like jonaTHEninja said, I will pray for them all I can. The most we can do, is pray, educate ourselves and inform others around us from a non-judgemental view. I live in a home where the arabic news is on almost 24/7 so we have visuals of the explosives and stuff...its not pretty, and it only shames you further when you see them blame it all on the Jews. It's the select government that's causing this genocide.
    I heard yesterday they planned to cut off all communication with Gaza.
    What do you mean by select government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    There are two sides to any war...both think they're in the right but neither is. In war, the only way to win is to get the people on your side, those that aren't fighting it. That's what counts, and as long as you have the masses on your side, you'll win...that doesn't make it right though. It's all propaganda. People on both sides are suffering equally, it's just one side has decided to win the favor of the people, that is all.
    No.

    If the government payed me one Billion US dollars to walk in to your house claim it as my own and you fought back against me would I then be justified in calling it an unwarranted attack against me? What did Israel expect a frigging welcoming party? When they blasted their way in and threw down a flag a said “God said it’s ours!” They then proceeded to steal land and sell it to each other while terrorizing the people who live there. And somehow it’s wrong for them to fight back?

    Seriously?

    If Israel were to lay down their guns tomorrow, there would be no war. If Palestine were to lay down theirs, there would be no more Palestine.

    Wake up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate uzumaki form View Post
    Why doesn't the U.S military stop this, we spend trillions on over seas defenses ................
    The US gives more in Financial, Military & Medical aid to Israel per year than it gives to the entire continent of Africa.







     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    There are two sides to any war...both think they're in the right but neither is. In war, the only way to win is to get the people on your side, those that aren't fighting it. That's what counts, and as long as you have the masses on your side, you'll win...that doesn't make it right though. It's all propaganda. People on both sides are suffering equally, it's just one side has decided to win the favor of the people, that is all.
    There are no two sides in this. It's plain genocide and racist hatred combined. Israeli settlers + militants vs. defenseless palestinian citizens.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    I found these video:


    HAMAS TERRORISTS KILL INNOCENT PALESTINIAN IN GAZA (RARE VIDEO) AND THEN REPORT THEM AS ISRAELI MURDERS

    Learn how debased and evil the Palestinian fight against Israel truly is. Israel are victims, not aggressors. Hamas is not only killing Israeli’s. They are killing their own Palestinian people. After killing their own children and people, Hamas pretends Israel is the one killing the people. In fact, Israel issues an announcement whenever they strike against Palestine. They strike after perpetual provocation and attacks.

    This Arab presenter shows rare video clips taken by a Palestinian civilian which shows Hamas interrupting a wedding celebration, slaughtering their own people. The presenter says people are mad and ignorant to support Palestinian cause, and even Westerners are so naive they stand on the side of Palestine without having any grasp of reality.

    The narrator says “I can’t understand why the whole world is anti Israel, while the real terrorists are Hamas? This Video proves that, most of the Palestinian are brain-washed by the Hamas or just scare to talk! What do you have to say now?”.

    This is how it works with the Palestinians:



    Either way there will never be peace with these people.

    We live in sad times with lies going on in both sides.
     
         
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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ImmaculateShadow View Post
    No.

    If the government payed me one Billion US dollars to walk in to your house claim it as my own and you fought back against me would I then be justified in calling it an unwarranted attack against me? What did Israel expect a frigging welcoming party? When they blasted their way in and threw down a flag a said “God said it’s ours!” They then proceeded to steal land and sell it to each other while terrorizing the people who live there. And somehow it’s wrong for them to fight back?

    Seriously?

    If Israel were to lay down their guns tomorrow, there would be no war. If Palestine were to lay down theirs, there would be no more Palestine.

    Wake up.
    Okay, so you really do believe Palestine is innocent? What about the random mortar attacks launched at Israel on a regualar basis? Israel used to own a whole lot of land, not just the tiny part they have now. The UN put them in the middle of their enemies, their surrounded by people that believe their whole existance is centered around the destruction of Israel. It seems you're listening to the propaganda and buying it wholesale...I'm not surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by YowYan View Post
    There are no two sides in this. It's plain genocide and racist hatred combined. Israeli settlers + militants vs. defenseless palestinian citizens.
    I wouldn't call them defenseless, the terrorists hide among the people and use women and children as meat shields.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ~WastelandSociety~ View Post
    I found these video:




    Either way there will never be peace with these people.

    We live in sad times with lies going on in both sides.
    I know the guy who talk in this video his nick is ChristianPrince he's known in the vocal chat Paltak as a great lier and manipulator reputation.
     
         

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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    Okay, so you really do believe Palestine is innocent?
    I know history isn't your greatest subject but yes, this is without a doubt a case where Israel is proclaiming manifest destiny. In other words the Israelis have said that the land the Palestinians lived on before 1948 is theirs. This is literally no different in motive than the eradication to near extinction of the Native Americans by European settlers during the colonization of America.

    What about the random mortar attacks launched at Israel on a regualar basis?
    I'm not justifying the deaths of innocents - if any thing, Israel is responsible for taking what was a nation full of people by force and systematically killing, terrorizing, corralling and starving it's people. This continues to go on. So there for the deaths that ensue because of the Palestinian resistance are in point of fact on the hands of the Israelis.

    The amazing thing is that you have no concept of how much the Palestinian people have gone through.

    Israel used to own a whole lot of land, not just the tiny part they have now.
    What the hel is that supposed to mean? Have you never seen the maps documenting the destruction of generations of human lives over the past 60 years or so?





    — from 2007

    And for what? Because America reads the Bible and thinks that it's myths are more important that the lives of an entire regions people? Get a frigging grip.

    Were not talking about price of the holocaust, there were plenty of ways we could have ensured that the Jews never came close to extinction again. Instead what the western world has done is traded one type of genocide in favor of another. It's that simple.

    The UN put them in the middle of their enemies, their surrounded by people that believe their whole existance is centered around the destruction of Israel.
    No. You can not avert the blame from the Jews who settled in the occupied territories on this. Those that claimed that the nation of Israel took precedence over any other people or country that got in it's way are to blame. This includes the US.

    It seems you're listening to the propaganda and buying it wholesale...I'm not surprised.
    How about you come up with some thing other than an ad hominem attack?
     
         
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    Re: World Against Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinobi Train View Post
    Israel used to own a whole lot of land, not just the tiny part they have now.
    Like I would want to argue to you after that. I would suggest you should read. And between I am not a Palestinian, I am just a person who sees the killing and murdering of children who are of age 11, 10, 8 or so NOT human. Don't believe me? See it for your own eyes;



    And the pictures I posted in the spoiler, are just which seems a bit more easy to witness. I can't post the others they are just too disturbing. And do you want to see how they fight for their houses not to be turned to debris, like so;

     
         

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    Its really stupid how we are just setting her sending them help without actually go and free it. They are smart, you know, they got Jordan off balance and attacked while we are unstable.. Another cheep act. Congratz.
     
         

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    Shadow ripping apart ST's arguement everytime he posts.

    ST grab a history book please your knowledge will grow tenfold seriously
     
         

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