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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    You can call him what you want but the fact is his strongest jutsu is death seal.
    Sorry but thats dont even take him in top 10 and you talking about top 5 ridiculous...
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Is this Old Hiruzen, if so, he doesn't make Top 10.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi8179 View Post
    You can call him what you want but the fact is his strongest jutsu is death seal.
    Sorry but thats dont even take him in top 10 and you talking about top 5 ridiculous...
    Jutsu's don't make a shinobi strong. Manga fact even jiraiya stated that the amount of jutsu's don't state strength.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Is this Old Hiruzen, if so, he doesn't make Top 10.
    Its old hiruzen and he easily makes top ten trashing hashirama and tobirama in their complete forms and prime.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Is this Old Hiruzen, if so, he doesn't make Top 10.
    Yep. If we include only his abilities from battle against Orochimaru, then he isnt that strong. Most of Akatsuki members would defeat him quite comfortably.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Jutsu's don't make a shinobi strong. Manga fact even jiraiya stated that the amount of jutsu's don't state strength.



    Its old hiruzen and he easily makes top ten trashing hashirama and tobirama in their complete forms and prime.
    Haha, no he doesn't.

    Not in order.

    Hashirama
    Naruto
    Madara
    Nagato
    Obito
    Sasuke
    Killer Bee
    Minato
    Gaara
    Itachi
    DSM Kabuto
    Kisame
    SM Jiraiya

    Old Hiruzen can't beat anyone on this list..so he isn't Top 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Yep. If we include only his abilities from battle against Orochimaru, then he isnt that strong. Most of Akatsuki members would defeat him quite comfortably.
    Yeah, I don't know why this guy is overrating him..and the fact that he said "Top 10 if not Top 5" gave me the lulz
     
         
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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Yep. If we include only his abilities from battle against Orochimaru, then he isnt that strong. Most of Akatsuki members would defeat him quite comfortably.
    So taking on Edo hashirama, tobirama, and orochimaru at the same time doesn't make him beat akatsuki members? Hah your funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Haha, no he doesn't.

    Not in order.

    Hashirama
    Naruto
    Madara
    Nagato
    Obito
    Sasuke
    Killer Bee
    Minato
    Gaara
    Itachi
    DSM Kabuto

    Old Hiruzen can't beat anyone on this list..so he isn't Top 10.
    Hiruzen beat hashirama according to the manga.
    Hiruzen was known to be the strongest of all the kage's meaning he is better then minato according to the manga.

    Your opinions do not deteriorate manga facts.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    So taking on Edo hashirama, tobirama, and orochimaru at the same time doesn't make him beat akatsuki members? Hah your funny.



    Hiruzen beat hashirama according to the manga.
    Hiruzen was known to be the strongest of all the kage's meaning he is better then minato according to the manga.

    Your opinions do not deteriorate manga facts.
    Im not going to get into that debate, but I listed 11 people not just 10 people, so even going by what you say, Old Hiruzen is still not Top 10.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Im not going to get into that debate, but I listed 11 people not just 10 people, so even going by what you say, Old Hiruzen is still not Top 10.
    Keep ignoring manga facts. Your just another person who can't come to terms with what the manga states.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    So taking on Edo hashirama, tobirama, and orochimaru at the same time doesn't make him beat akatsuki members? Hah your funny.
    Considering how that battle went... nope he didnt show enough to beat them.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Keep ignoring manga facts. Your just another person who can't come to terms with what the manga states.
    How? You didn't show how he is Top 10..how does he beat any of the 10 people (minus Hashirama since he is the 11th) in that list.

    I'm waiting for the proof, otherwise you're just another common fanboy.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Considering how that battle went... nope he didnt show enough to beat them.
    Considering he won the battle at the cost of his life. Yeah keep ignoring facts just like the other guy i'm responding too.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    How? You didn't show how he is Top 10..how does he beat any of the 10 people (minus Hashirama since he is the 11th) in that list.

    I'm waiting for the proof, otherwise you're just another common fanboy.
    The manga clearly states he is the strongest of all hokages meaning hashirama, tobirama, and minato since it was stated after minato's time. By the way, your list shows hashirama as number one not 11. So your number one immediately lost along with minato by pure facts.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Considering he won the battle at the cost of his life. Yeah keep ignoring facts just like the other guy i'm responding too.
    Orochimaru himself said that Kages were playing with him. Thats the fact.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Considering he won the battle at the cost of his life. Yeah keep ignoring facts just like the other guy i'm responding too.



    The manga clearly states he is the strongest of all hokages meaning hashirama, tobirama, and minato since it was stated after minato's time. By the way, your list shows hashirama as number one not 11. So your number one immediately lost along with minato by pure facts.
    In his prime he was said to be the strongest Hokage..this is Old Hiruzen.

    Learn to read, At the top of my list it says "NOT IN ORDER"
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Jutsu's don't make a shinobi strong. Manga fact even jiraiya stated that the amount of jutsu's don't state strength.



    Its old hiruzen and he easily makes top ten trashing hashirama and tobirama in their complete forms and prime.

    Yah jiraiya stated that but he is dead because doesnt had enaugh strenght.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Orochimaru himself said that Kages were playing with him. Thats the fact.
    Another fanboy who took what orochimaru said out of context. The kages were toying with him inside the genjutsu. When you quote a character make sure you understand the situation and what's going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    In his prime he was said to be the strongest Hokage..this is Old Hiruzen.

    Learn to read, At the top of my list it says "NOT IN ORDER"
    So you posted a top 11 and didn't put it in order..yeah intelligence isn't your forte. By the way, I already said this prior but hiruzen was stated to be the strongest of all after minato's was hokage meaning he was superior. Who needs to learn to read again? Silly fanboy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi8179 View Post
    Yah jiraiya stated that but he is dead because doesnt had enaugh strenght.
    Actually pain stated he died because he didn't have enough intelligence.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Another fanboy who took what orochimaru said out of context. The kages were toying with him inside the genjutsu. When you quote a character make sure you understand the situation and what's going on.
    Thats what Im talking about.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Thats what Im talking about.
    Exactly my point so it was only toying within the genjutsu not the entire fight.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Another fanboy who took what orochimaru said out of context. The kages were toying with him inside the genjutsu. When you quote a character make sure you understand the situation and what's going on.



    So you posted a top 11 and didn't put it in order..yeah intelligence isn't your forte. By the way, I already said this prior but hiruzen was stated to be the strongest of all after minato's was hokage meaning he was superior. Who needs to learn to read again? Silly fanboy.
    What a retard, that isn't a Top 11, that is a list of people Old Hiruzen can't beat..Learn how to read.

    Prime Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage, this is Old Hiruzen, so no he is not stronger than Minato.

    Old Hiruzen was only stated to have been stronger than the other 4 Kages, not all the Hokages.

    Please don't reply to my post with some stupid shit again.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Exactly my point so it was only toying within the genjutsu not the entire fight.
    Aside from that, Hashirama could crush him when he catched him with Mokuton (before Enma was summoned).
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    According to the manga, Orochimaru was still too afraid to challenge Itachi with Edo Hokages. The simple fact is that the power-scaling hadn't been adjusted back then. But even then, the logical reason Hiruzen did so well was because Orochimaru pointblank stated that he was toying with Hiruzen, which provided an opening, and they were in a very small, enclosed space that prevented Hashirama from going nuts with his Mokuton.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    What a retard, that isn't a Top 11, that is a list of people Old Hiruzen can't beat..Learn how to read.

    Prime Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage, this is Old Hiruzen, so no he is not stronger than Minato.

    Old Hiruzen was only stated to have been stronger than the other 4 Kages, not all the Hokages.

    Please don't reply to my post with some stupid shit again.
    "Old Hiruzen can't beat anyone on this list..so he isn't Top 10."

    By stating he cannot beat anyone on that list you imply that those characters are on the top ten. Old hiruzen was stated to be the strongest of all. Since that statement was made after Minato had become hokage that means he is superior to minato.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    According to the manga, Orochimaru was still too afraid to challenge Itachi with Edo Hokages. The simple fact is that the power-scaling hadn't been adjusted back then. But even then, the logical reason Hiruzen did so well was because Orochimaru pointblank stated that he was toying with Hiruzen, which provided an opening, and they were in a very small, enclosed space.
    Toying with hiruzen within the genjutsu. Look at the situation when the hokages are toying with hiruzen, are they using any jutsu? They are only punching and kicking him. Now look at the fight before that, we have a mix of wood release, water release, fire release, earth release, heavy taijutsu, summoning, kinjutsu, and explosions going on. Saying they were toying with him the entire fight is taking that line completely out of context.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    "Old Hiruzen can't beat anyone on this list..so he isn't Top 10."

    By stating he cannot beat anyone on that list you imply that those characters are on the top ten. Old hiruzen was stated to be the strongest of all. Since that statement was made after Minato had become hokage that means he is superior to minato.
    No, I implied that since there are 10 people who can beat Hiruzen, he can't be Top 10.

    Hiruzen was known as God of Shinobi and the strongest Hokage in his Prime not in his old age.

    Orochimaru said that Hiruzen is miserable compared to his Prime.

    It is obvious they are referring to his Prime being the strongest Hokage, not him in Old Age..unless you got proof Old Hiruzen is stronger than the rest of the Hokage.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    No, I implied that since there are 10 people who can beat Hiruzen, he can't be Top 10.

    Hiruzen was known as God of Shinobi and the strongest Hokage in his Prime not in his old age.

    Orochimaru said that Hiruzen is miserable compared to his Prime.

    It is obvious they are referring to his Prime being the strongest Hokage, not him in Old Age..unless you got proof Old Hiruzen is stronger than the rest of the Hokage.
    1:Where does it state he was the strongest hokage in his prime? If you can't provide a manga page then what you state is obsolete and only an opinion.

    2: "No, I implied that since there are 10 people who can beat Hiruzen, he can't be Top 10."

    Yet two of those people you listed were automatically disqualified due to the manga stating hiruzen was superior to them through word of mouth and fighting.
     
         

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    Re: Proof Hiruzen deserves top ten is not top 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    1:Where does it state he was the strongest hokage in his prime? If you can't provide a manga page then what you state is obsolete and only an opinion.

    2: "No, I implied that since there are 10 people who can beat Hiruzen, he can't be Top 10."

    Yet two of those people you listed were automatically disqualified due to the manga stating hiruzen was superior to them through word of mouth and fighting.
    Where does it even imply he is the strongest Hokage in his Old age, when everyone comments on his prime and how in his prime he was known as the God of Shinobi, they comment on how he was miserable compared to his prime.

    Orochimaru comments on how Hiruzen, who was hailed as the God of Shinobi can't defeat old age: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-126-3/n...apter-121.html

    Here he said he was the strongest of them all, keyword is was was refers to the past, and that past is his Prime: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-99-13/n...hapter-94.html

    That's why everyone praises his prime, not his old age.

    Besides I edited my list of people who can beat Old Hiruzen and added more people.
     
         

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