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    100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    First lets go over each individuals abilities. (I will not be adding moves that are not battle orientated in a fight like this. EX Contract seal. I have also put spoilers for the users techniques as naruto has a very big arsenal of techniques.


    Minato

    Dead Demon Consuming Seal- This ability allows the user to seal the opponents soul at the cost of the users life. This is a suicide technique but can end any battle.

    Flying Thunder God Technique- This jutsu allows the user to travel through space by using seals. These seals can be placed on anything from Kunai's to people. Minato is the only known user to be able to use it by himself and developed different variations to the technique. The amount of chakra it consumes appears to be minimal as Minato can teleport a Tailed Beast Ball and have plenty of chakra left to summon Gamabunta, use rasengans, and multiple seals.

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasukes' fight on the rooftop. (It is important to note that Minato's Rasengan is much more powerful due to him using a higher chakra compression rate)

    Space–Time Barrier- This jutsu allows the user to teleport any incoming attack away. Examples are the Tailed Beast Ball but this jutsu can teleport any technique and if the user wishes can direct it back at the caster. (Minato was careful when placing the Tailed Beast Ball away from the village due to its destructive capabilities thus proving he has control where it is sent.

    Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique-This allows the user to use his summoning jutsu over the opponent to crush them. Known examples are when jiraiya used it during the Sound and Sand villages invasion and during Minato's battle with the Kyuubi.

    Summoning: Toads- This allows Jiraiya to summon the toads as a fight force. Due to him being able to summon the boss toad Gamabunta, it is implied that he can summon anyone of a lower stature such as Gamaken and Gamahiro.



    Naruto

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasuke on the rooftop

    Wind Style Rasengan- This is naruto's original jutsu as he took the rasengan to its original intentions. He added his own elemental affinity to it and it has been shown to be superior to rasengan.

    Wind Style Rasenshurriken- Naruto has taken rasengan beyond the original intentions. After adding his elemental affinity and creating his original technique (wind style rasengan) he added four points to the rasengan. These four points allow the rasengan to damage the opponents at a cellular level. In addition he is able to throw this technique and it has been shown to cause massive damage to the area it is thrown.

    Odama Rasengan- The rasengan has a higher compression rate and thus has a much more destructive power. It appears however to be the same size as Minato's rasengan and carries a similar destructive capability.

    All Directions Shuriken- This technique utilizes multiple clones throwing shurrikens at the enemy. With multiple clones throwing shurrikens it is impossible to dodge let alone deflect all of these shurrikens. The only escape method would be replacement jutsu and or space time ninjutsu.

    Clone Body Blow- This technique creates 4 clones to distract the enemy leaving them open to attack. This technique has shown success against opponents such as kakashi and gaara for example.

    Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet-This technique mixes Fire style with oil to create a massive fire. This fire has been shown to melt the skin of manda which was one of the most powerful serpents. Its destructive capabilities could level a forest need be or clear out an area of dangers.

    Frog Kata- This Taijutsu style is only able to be utilized by those who have mastered Sage Mode. Along with powerful punches the user can manipulate the aura of natural energy around their body to attack the opponent. Examples are Naruto vs Pain. Due to the enhanced speed of sage mode and sensing abilities, the user can avoid enemy attacks at the last second which is very similar to the sharingans abilities.


    Harem Technique- Allows the user to transform into a nude female to distract his opponents. The nude female can look like anyone he chooses to as its derived from the Transformation jutsu.

    Kage bunshin no jutsu- Allows the user to create anywhere from 1 clone to a thousand all in a second. This is naruto's signature move and most utilized throughout the series. Naruto has shown a dramatic increase from just summoning clones to using them effectively in learning the enemies moves(kakuzu vs naruto) to gathering chakra for him(naruto vs pain).

    Naruto Uzumaki Combo - Allows Naruto to create a combination attack where the enemy is defenseless and is being barraged by the clones and finally naruto's foot in DA FACE!!.

    Naruto Uzumaki Two Thousand Combo - Naruto has 999 clones that barrage the enemy with punches and kicks. This jutsu again is one of the unavoidable attacks unless a replacement jutsu or space time ninjutsu is used.

    Sage Art Ultra Big Ball Rasengan - The Sage Art: Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan is a gigantic Rasengan created by Naruto Uzumaki, enhanced with sage chakra. Although its destructive effects have not been seen, it was used to distract Kurama. Presumably, it is as strong as Jiraiya's version which was said to be able to hollow out a mountain if it exploded.

    Sage Mode - Sage Mode allows the user to take in natural chakra. This natural chakra mixes with his own and enhances it. The enhancements give the user an increase in speed, taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, and perception.
    He has been shown to move from one area to another in the blink of an eye. It also allows naruto's body to become hardened(like a medapod) and immune from damage. Examples of this is when naruto fell on a bed of spikes and did not get hurt.

    Sage Technique Spiraling Serial Spheres. The Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres is simply two Rasengan used simultaneously. Senjutsu chakra is added to the technique, which greatly enhances the strength of the attack.

    Wind Release: Naruto has shown to use his chakra and extend wind release through that. He has cut a waterfall merely by holding out his hands. This can prove deadly in combat as naruto can just wave his hand and cut the enemy.



    Now that the jutsu's are out of the way. Lets look at the ninja's skills in combat.

    Minato

    Intelligence: The intelligence Minato displays is far superior to shikamaru's. I say this due to the fact that it took him mere minutes to figure out how Kamui works and exploited its weakness and defeated obito. This is right here is a feat that no shinobi to date can match.

    Stamina: Minato has displayed an amazing amount of stamina being able to redirect TBB's, use FTG multiple times, Rasengan, multiple seals all without running out of chakra.

    Ninjutsu: Minato even though he has displayed very little ninjutsu has shown a mastery of it due to the fact that he created rasengan and could compress and form chakra.

    Genjutsu: N/A

    Taijutsu: He has not shown much taijutsu but in what he has shown he is formidable due to his FTG technique and Kunai. Also he fought A and B at the same time and outsmarted A very easily who is known to be a nintaijutsu master.

    Strength: No real feats of strength here so I cannot comment.

    Speed: This is Minato's most famous trait. Without FTG he was still an extremely fast shinobi. A's speed and reflexes is said to be on par with minato's and that's when its enhanced with lightening. Minato quite simply has an inhuman amount of speed naturally and his reflexes are so fast the second obito appeared behind him minato would of killed him with a kunai.



    Naruto

    Stamina: Naruto is an uzumaki which were known for their inhuman stamina and life force. Being related to the senju and direct descendants of the So6P he is granted stamina far beyond the average shinobi. It is said by Neji that naruto's stamina is comparable to Kisame's when Kisame was at 30%.

    Ninjutsu: Naruto is a master of ninjutsu due to his integration of wind release into rasengan. Not even Minato who tried for 3 years could not accomplish this feat. This feat in itself shows naruto is no joke when it comes to fighting with pure ninjutsu.

    Genjutsu: Naruto sucks at genjutsu his only option is the elder frogs.

    Taijutsu: Naruto has always been adept with taijutsu. In the beginning of part 2 he was able to fight toe to toe with kakashi and by the time he had mastered sage mode he bested pain who was considered unbeatable by both zetsu and Obito.

    Strength: Naruto with sage mode could pick up rhino's and huge boulders with ease throwing them hundreds of feet in the air. His strength is comparable to might gai and potentially Sakura and Tsunade.

    Speed: Naruto's speed is right up there with the best of the best in sage mode. He was able to intercept pain when he was inch away from tsunade. That alone speaks for itself.

    Intelligence: Naruto has shown a dramatic increase in intelligence. He now utilizes his clones more effectively learning how the enemy fights and does not require the mass of clones he did to win fights.



    Now I will show why naruto would beat Minato with just sage mode.

    Minato would be unable to harm naruto effectively in sage mode. His durability increases to the point where falling on a bed of spikes cannot harm him and even pains taijutsu could not harm him. It would not be a stretch to say his body becomes solid like a rock. Now rasengan does possess the capabilities to blow rocks open but its initial damage alone was not enough to destroy Obito (although it did blow his hand off) and that is a body that is structurally very similar to a normal humans. Minato's only option to harm him is to barrage him with rasengan as kunai's and shurrikens would not even have any effect.

    Minato will be unable to hit naruto with rasengan unless minato places a FTG seal on naruto. Now naruto's perception in sage mode is increased to the point where the 3rd Raikage(the most powerful raikage in history) enhanced with lightening could not even touch naruto. The 4th raikage who is enhanced with lightening is said that his speed is on par with minato's base speed. Therefore Minato could not touch naruto when he is in sage mode.

    As of now any form of attack is rendered useless due to being unable to land an attack or it would not harm naruto.

    Minato's flying thunder god is also rendered useless. Naruto having the ability to sense danger in sage mode will immediately know where Minato is.(see pic in spoiler)
    Minato does not have a chance of getting his hands on naruto as he will be immediately sensed and naruto can use his extension of chakra to harm him or perception/speed to land a rasengan.

    If the fight is taking place in a forest naruto can decimate the area with Gamabunta using an explosive tag and gamabuntas oil. No room to hide or cover the battle will always take place is an open battlefield.

    With this information present minato's only hopes of defeating naruto are now rendered useless. Any ability attempted can be avoided quite easily.

    Naruto is now able to attack Minato without fear of defeat.

    With naruto being able to incinerate the area using fire release and rasen shurriken he can now effectively and quickly destroy any FTG seals in the remote area. Minato would be forced to retreat to konoha or jump up into the air where he is vulnerable to attack.

    Minato's options are reduced to zero due to sage mode and will be forced to play defensively and or retreat. Naruto can create up to 5 clones in sage mode to gather chakra meaning while naruto is going all out with rasen shurrikens and minato is absorbing them with Space time barriers, minato will run out of chakra while naruto is constantly refueled by his clones which he can send away from the battlefield. The end result is minato running out of chakra and being destroyed by an AoE (area of effect) attack such as multiple kunai's and shurrikens, rasen shurrikens, or frog kata.

    This has been my first fully thought out vs thread. I have explained every characters battle orientated move and have provided links to support my conclusions and analysis below.







     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Makes sense
    butthe one thing i must ask is if minato has the intelligence of 3x shikamaru hes guna find ways to counter some jutsu but at least give mina sm credit mid diff naruto will beat him but it wil be a good fight
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTailedSage View Post
    Makes sense
    butthe one thing i must ask is if minato has the intelligence of 3x shikamaru hes guna find ways to counter some jutsu but at least give mina sm credit mid diff naruto will beat him but it wil be a good fight
    Minato simply doesn't have the capability to take naruto even with his speed and FTG. He would need a boost in speed and an attack that would actually harm naruto.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Minato simply doesn't have the capability to take naruto even with his speed and FTG. He would need a boost in speed and an attack that would actually harm naruto.
    Hehas the mmassive rasengan if it hits naruto its GUNA HURT but then again naruto is resilient BUT going right up close to him (him being minato) and does the rasengan then what :o
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    I read the thread and nice to see a thread about Sage Naruto and a detailed thread no less-thanks for that. I agree with you but just one thing. Naruto doesn't not have fire release.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTailedSage View Post
    Hehas the mmassive rasengan if it hits naruto its GUNA HURT but then again naruto is resilient BUT going right up close to him (him being minato) and does the rasengan then what :o
    Well Minato probably could teleport but seeing how naruto dodged the 3rd raikage while enhanced with lightening armor(pretty much same speed as raikage) and minato's base speed was said to be the same as the raikages in lightening armor, its safe to assume naruto could dodge the rasengan fairly easily.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate uzumaki form View Post
    I read the thread and nice to see a thread about Sage Naruto and a detailed thread no less-thanks for that. I agree with you but just one thing. Naruto doesn't not have fire release.
    Its a collaboration jutsu with gamabunta so technically he does although he needs to summon bunta first.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Well Minato probably could teleport but seeing how naruto dodged the 3rd raikage while enhanced with lightening armor(pretty much same speed as raikage) and minato's base speed was said to be the same as the raikages in lightening armor, its safe to assume naruto could dodge the rasengan fairly easily.
    That was BM not SM so in saying that how is naruto dodging that in SM and plus to that ultimate uzumaki guy toad oil is a fire tech
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    That was BM not SM so in saying that how is naruto dodging that in SM and plus to that ultimate uzumaki guy toad oil is a fire tech

    Naruto is in sage mode look at his eyes. He dodged the third raikage in sage mode.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    tHE 3RD raikage isn't faster than ay and in saying T~HAT ay isn't faster than minato but i sorta see your point but it wouldn't be valid seeing as its the 3rd raikage hedodged. does prove hes fast though
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    tHE 3RD raikage isn't faster than ay and in saying T~HAT ay isn't faster than minato but i sorta see your point but it wouldn't be valid seeing as its the 3rd raikage hedodged. does prove hes fast though
    It was stated that the third raikage was the greatest of all the raikages. He was known for his speed and power as well.

     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    It was stated that the third raikage was the greatest of all the raikages. He was known for his speed and power as well.

    It said hes known for his astonishing speed but it never said he was the fastest of raikages, in strength im not sure if aY is stronger but ay is the fastest man out here
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    He was known as the great raikage for being able to go toe to toe with a bijuu, having the strongest nintaijutsu attack, and being the strongest shield. He fought for 3 days and nights against 10,000 shinobi.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    First lets go over each individuals abilities. (I will not be adding moves that are not battle orientated in a fight like this. EX Contract seal. I have also put spoilers for the users techniques as naruto has a very big arsenal of techniques.


    Minato

    Dead Demon Consuming Seal- This ability allows the user to seal the opponents soul at the cost of the users life. This is a suicide technique but can end any battle.

    Flying Thunder God Technique- This jutsu allows the user to travel through space by using seals. These seals can be placed on anything from Kunai's to people. Minato is the only known user to be able to use it by himself and developed different variations to the technique. The amount of chakra it consumes appears to be minimal as Minato can teleport a Tailed Beast Ball and have plenty of chakra left to summon Gamabunta, use rasengans, and multiple seals.

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasukes' fight on the rooftop. (It is important to note that Minato's Rasengan is much more powerful due to him using a higher chakra compression rate)

    Space–Time Barrier- This jutsu allows the user to teleport any incoming attack away. Examples are the Tailed Beast Ball but this jutsu can teleport any technique and if the user wishes can direct it back at the caster. (Minato was careful when placing the Tailed Beast Ball away from the village due to its destructive capabilities thus proving he has control where it is sent.

    Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique-This allows the user to use his summoning jutsu over the opponent to crush them. Known examples are when jiraiya used it during the Sound and Sand villages invasion and during Minato's battle with the Kyuubi.

    Summoning: Toads- This allows Jiraiya to summon the toads as a fight force. Due to him being able to summon the boss toad Gamabunta, it is implied that he can summon anyone of a lower stature such as Gamaken and Gamahiro.



    Naruto

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasuke on the rooftop

    Wind Style Rasengan- This is naruto's original jutsu as he took the rasengan to its original intentions. He added his own elemental affinity to it and it has been shown to be superior to rasengan.

    Wind Style Rasenshurriken- Naruto has taken rasengan beyond the original intentions. After adding his elemental affinity and creating his original technique (wind style rasengan) he added four points to the rasengan. These four points allow the rasengan to damage the opponents at a cellular level. In addition he is able to throw this technique and it has been shown to cause massive damage to the area it is thrown.

    Odama Rasengan- The rasengan has a higher compression rate and thus has a much more destructive power. It appears however to be the same size as Minato's rasengan and carries a similar destructive capability.

    All Directions Shuriken- This technique utilizes multiple clones throwing shurrikens at the enemy. With multiple clones throwing shurrikens it is impossible to dodge let alone deflect all of these shurrikens. The only escape method would be replacement jutsu and or space time ninjutsu.

    Clone Body Blow- This technique creates 4 clones to distract the enemy leaving them open to attack. This technique has shown success against opponents such as kakashi and gaara for example.

    Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet-This technique mixes Fire style with oil to create a massive fire. This fire has been shown to melt the skin of manda which was one of the most powerful serpents. Its destructive capabilities could level a forest need be or clear out an area of dangers.

    Frog Kata- This Taijutsu style is only able to be utilized by those who have mastered Sage Mode. Along with powerful punches the user can manipulate the aura of natural energy around their body to attack the opponent. Examples are Naruto vs Pain. Due to the enhanced speed of sage mode and sensing abilities, the user can avoid enemy attacks at the last second which is very similar to the sharingans abilities.


    Harem Technique- Allows the user to transform into a nude female to distract his opponents. The nude female can look like anyone he chooses to as its derived from the Transformation jutsu.

    Kage bunshin no jutsu- Allows the user to create anywhere from 1 clone to a thousand all in a second. This is naruto's signature move and most utilized throughout the series. Naruto has shown a dramatic increase from just summoning clones to using them effectively in learning the enemies moves(kakuzu vs naruto) to gathering chakra for him(naruto vs pain).

    Naruto Uzumaki Combo - Allows Naruto to create a combination attack where the enemy is defenseless and is being barraged by the clones and finally naruto's foot in DA FACE!!.

    Naruto Uzumaki Two Thousand Combo - Naruto has 999 clones that barrage the enemy with punches and kicks. This jutsu again is one of the unavoidable attacks unless a replacement jutsu or space time ninjutsu is used.

    Sage Art Ultra Big Ball Rasengan - The Sage Art: Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan is a gigantic Rasengan created by Naruto Uzumaki, enhanced with sage chakra. Although its destructive effects have not been seen, it was used to distract Kurama. Presumably, it is as strong as Jiraiya's version which was said to be able to hollow out a mountain if it exploded.

    Sage Mode - Sage Mode allows the user to take in natural chakra. This natural chakra mixes with his own and enhances it. The enhancements give the user an increase in speed, taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, and perception.
    He has been shown to move from one area to another in the blink of an eye. It also allows naruto's body to become hardened(like a medapod) and immune from damage. Examples of this is when naruto fell on a bed of spikes and did not get hurt.

    Sage Technique Spiraling Serial Spheres. The Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres is simply two Rasengan used simultaneously. Senjutsu chakra is added to the technique, which greatly enhances the strength of the attack.

    Wind Release: Naruto has shown to use his chakra and extend wind release through that. He has cut a waterfall merely by holding out his hands. This can prove deadly in combat as naruto can just wave his hand and cut the enemy.



    Now that the jutsu's are out of the way. Lets look at the ninja's skills in combat.

    Minato

    Intelligence: The intelligence Minato displays is far superior to shikamaru's. I say this due to the fact that it took him mere minutes to figure out how Kamui works and exploited its weakness and defeated obito. This is right here is a feat that no shinobi to date can match.

    Stamina: Minato has displayed an amazing amount of stamina being able to redirect TBB's, use FTG multiple times, Rasengan, multiple seals all without running out of chakra.

    Ninjutsu: Minato even though he has displayed very little ninjutsu has shown a mastery of it due to the fact that he created rasengan and could compress and form chakra.

    Genjutsu: N/A

    Taijutsu: He has not shown much taijutsu but in what he has shown he is formidable due to his FTG technique and Kunai. Also he fought A and B at the same time and outsmarted A very easily who is known to be a nintaijutsu master.

    Strength: No real feats of strength here so I cannot comment.

    Speed: This is Minato's most famous trait. Without FTG he was still an extremely fast shinobi. A's speed and reflexes is said to be on par with minato's and that's when its enhanced with lightening. Minato quite simply has an inhuman amount of speed naturally and his reflexes are so fast the second obito appeared behind him minato would of killed him with a kunai.



    Naruto

    Stamina: Naruto is an uzumaki which were known for their inhuman stamina and life force. Being related to the senju and direct descendants of the So6P he is granted stamina far beyond the average shinobi. It is said by Neji that naruto's stamina is comparable to Kisame's when Kisame was at 30%.

    Ninjutsu: Naruto is a master of ninjutsu due to his integration of wind release into rasengan. Not even Minato who tried for 3 years could not accomplish this feat. This feat in itself shows naruto is no joke when it comes to fighting with pure ninjutsu.

    Genjutsu: Naruto sucks at genjutsu his only option is the elder frogs.

    Taijutsu: Naruto has always been adept with taijutsu. In the beginning of part 2 he was able to fight toe to toe with kakashi and by the time he had mastered sage mode he bested pain who was considered unbeatable by both zetsu and Obito.

    Strength: Naruto with sage mode could pick up rhino's and huge boulders with ease throwing them hundreds of feet in the air. His strength is comparable to might gai and potentially Sakura and Tsunade.

    Speed: Naruto's speed is right up there with the best of the best in sage mode. He was able to intercept pain when he was inch away from tsunade. That alone speaks for itself.

    Intelligence: Naruto has shown a dramatic increase in intelligence. He now utilizes his clones more effectively learning how the enemy fights and does not require the mass of clones he did to win fights.



    Now I will show why naruto would beat Minato with just sage mode.

    Minato would be unable to harm naruto effectively in sage mode. His durability increases to the point where falling on a bed of spikes cannot harm him and even pains taijutsu could not harm him. It would not be a stretch to say his body becomes solid like a rock. Now rasengan does possess the capabilities to blow rocks open but its initial damage alone was not enough to destroy Obito (although it did blow his hand off) and that is a body that is structurally very similar to a normal humans. Minato's only option to harm him is to barrage him with rasengan as kunai's and shurrikens would not even have any effect.

    Minato will be unable to hit naruto with rasengan unless minato places a FTG seal on naruto. Now naruto's perception in sage mode is increased to the point where the 3rd Raikage(the most powerful raikage in history) enhanced with lightening could not even touch naruto. The 4th raikage who is enhanced with lightening is said that his speed is on par with minato's base speed. Therefore Minato could not touch naruto when he is in sage mode.

    As of now any form of attack is rendered useless due to being unable to land an attack or it would not harm naruto.

    Minato's flying thunder god is also rendered useless. Naruto having the ability to sense danger in sage mode will immediately know where Minato is.(see pic in spoiler)
    Minato does not have a chance of getting his hands on naruto as he will be immediately sensed and naruto can use his extension of chakra to harm him or perception/speed to land a rasengan.

    If the fight is taking place in a forest naruto can decimate the area with Gamabunta using an explosive tag and gamabuntas oil. No room to hide or cover the battle will always take place is an open battlefield.

    With this information present minato's only hopes of defeating naruto are now rendered useless. Any ability attempted can be avoided quite easily.

    Naruto is now able to attack Minato without fear of defeat.

    With naruto being able to incinerate the area using fire release and rasen shurriken he can now effectively and quickly destroy any FTG seals in the remote area. Minato would be forced to retreat to konoha or jump up into the air where he is vulnerable to attack.

    Minato's options are reduced to zero due to sage mode and will be forced to play defensively and or retreat. Naruto can create up to 5 clones in sage mode to gather chakra meaning while naruto is going all out with rasen shurrikens and minato is absorbing them with Space time barriers, minato will run out of chakra while naruto is constantly refueled by his clones which he can send away from the battlefield. The end result is minato running out of chakra and being destroyed by an AoE (area of effect) attack such as multiple kunai's and shurrikens, rasen shurrikens, or frog kata.

    This has been my first fully thought out vs thread. I have explained every characters battle orientated move and have provided links to support my conclusions and analysis below.









    You underestimate quite just how versatile FTG is, Also FTG is not useless even with naruto's sensing. Showing a scan of Naruto counter the 3rd raikages speed (He's pretty fast but i doubt faster than A ) FTG is Far faster than A and the 3rd raikage.
    While Minato teleports, Naruto will not be able to sense him (since he moves from one world to the next), So for a split second naruto will be blind, So in an Instant naruto would need to Sense him, React to him and think up a defense.

    Dodging an attack you knoow is coming (3rd raikages attack) and dodging an instant attack that comes from nowhere (Minato with FTG) are completely different things.

    Also if Minato marks him, Lets say naruto throws a RS at him, Minato could quite easily create a barrier, Absorb ti and teleport it directly on top of naruto. Since the barrier can teleport to anything and anywhere there is an FTG marking.

    As for strength feats, Minato's kunai did this with a mere kanui, he didn't even use a element to increase it's strength. If this hit Sm naruto he wouldn't just shrug it off.


    Same goes for minato's rasengan, Yes it gives naruto some resistance, but he would not be able to take many hits from it, Also if naruto lets minato get close even once, he risks getting mark, (Note: Minato marked tobi the exact same time he hit him with rasengan and as i said once naruto has a marking on his body, It's over), So the rasengan doesn't need to outright kill him all he needs is a chance to tag him.

    If minato marks Naruto, it's over. The thing that makes FTG so hax is that minato marks the entire field, he can Pop up anywhere at any time in an instant, it's this unpredictability that makes him so damn dangerous.
     
         
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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    He was known as the great raikage for being able to go toe to toe with a bijuu, having the strongest nintaijutsu attack, and being the strongest shield. He fought for 3 days and nights against 10,000 shinobi.
    makees him pretty dam fast and strong but wanna knnow whos faster, ay or the 3rd
     
         

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    First lets go over each individuals abilities. (I will not be adding moves that are not battle orientated in a fight like this. EX Contract seal. I have also put spoilers for the users techniques as naruto has a very big arsenal of techniques.


    Minato

    Dead Demon Consuming Seal- This ability allows the user to seal the opponents soul at the cost of the users life. This is a suicide technique but can end any battle.

    Flying Thunder God Technique- This jutsu allows the user to travel through space by using seals. These seals can be placed on anything from Kunai's to people. Minato is the only known user to be able to use it by himself and developed different variations to the technique. The amount of chakra it consumes appears to be minimal as Minato can teleport a Tailed Beast Ball and have plenty of chakra left to summon Gamabunta, use rasengans, and multiple seals.

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasukes' fight on the rooftop. (It is important to note that Minato's Rasengan is much more powerful due to him using a higher chakra compression rate)

    Space–Time Barrier- This jutsu allows the user to teleport any incoming attack away. Examples are the Tailed Beast Ball but this jutsu can teleport any technique and if the user wishes can direct it back at the caster. (Minato was careful when placing the Tailed Beast Ball away from the village due to its destructive capabilities thus proving he has control where it is sent.

    Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique-This allows the user to use his summoning jutsu over the opponent to crush them. Known examples are when jiraiya used it during the Sound and Sand villages invasion and during Minato's battle with the Kyuubi.

    Summoning: Toads- This allows Jiraiya to summon the toads as a fight force. Due to him being able to summon the boss toad Gamabunta, it is implied that he can summon anyone of a lower stature such as Gamaken and Gamahiro.



    Naruto

    Rasengan- This jutsu allows the user to compress his chakra into a ball and use it in an attack. The original intentions were to compress the chakra and add an elemental affinity to it such as Wind style. It has shown to be more powerful then techniques derived from it such as Chidori and Raikiri. The point of impact is general not penetrated but anything behind that impact is blown apart. EX Naruto and Sasuke on the rooftop

    Wind Style Rasengan- This is naruto's original jutsu as he took the rasengan to its original intentions. He added his own elemental affinity to it and it has been shown to be superior to rasengan.

    Wind Style Rasenshurriken- Naruto has taken rasengan beyond the original intentions. After adding his elemental affinity and creating his original technique (wind style rasengan) he added four points to the rasengan. These four points allow the rasengan to damage the opponents at a cellular level. In addition he is able to throw this technique and it has been shown to cause massive damage to the area it is thrown.

    Odama Rasengan- The rasengan has a higher compression rate and thus has a much more destructive power. It appears however to be the same size as Minato's rasengan and carries a similar destructive capability.

    All Directions Shuriken- This technique utilizes multiple clones throwing shurrikens at the enemy. With multiple clones throwing shurrikens it is impossible to dodge let alone deflect all of these shurrikens. The only escape method would be replacement jutsu and or space time ninjutsu.

    Clone Body Blow- This technique creates 4 clones to distract the enemy leaving them open to attack. This technique has shown success against opponents such as kakashi and gaara for example.

    Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet-This technique mixes Fire style with oil to create a massive fire. This fire has been shown to melt the skin of manda which was one of the most powerful serpents. Its destructive capabilities could level a forest need be or clear out an area of dangers.

    Frog Kata- This Taijutsu style is only able to be utilized by those who have mastered Sage Mode. Along with powerful punches the user can manipulate the aura of natural energy around their body to attack the opponent. Examples are Naruto vs Pain. Due to the enhanced speed of sage mode and sensing abilities, the user can avoid enemy attacks at the last second which is very similar to the sharingans abilities.


    Harem Technique- Allows the user to transform into a nude female to distract his opponents. The nude female can look like anyone he chooses to as its derived from the Transformation jutsu.

    Kage bunshin no jutsu- Allows the user to create anywhere from 1 clone to a thousand all in a second. This is naruto's signature move and most utilized throughout the series. Naruto has shown a dramatic increase from just summoning clones to using them effectively in learning the enemies moves(kakuzu vs naruto) to gathering chakra for him(naruto vs pain).

    Naruto Uzumaki Combo - Allows Naruto to create a combination attack where the enemy is defenseless and is being barraged by the clones and finally naruto's foot in DA FACE!!.

    Naruto Uzumaki Two Thousand Combo - Naruto has 999 clones that barrage the enemy with punches and kicks. This jutsu again is one of the unavoidable attacks unless a replacement jutsu or space time ninjutsu is used.

    Sage Art Ultra Big Ball Rasengan - The Sage Art: Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan is a gigantic Rasengan created by Naruto Uzumaki, enhanced with sage chakra. Although its destructive effects have not been seen, it was used to distract Kurama. Presumably, it is as strong as Jiraiya's version which was said to be able to hollow out a mountain if it exploded.

    Sage Mode - Sage Mode allows the user to take in natural chakra. This natural chakra mixes with his own and enhances it. The enhancements give the user an increase in speed, taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, and perception.
    He has been shown to move from one area to another in the blink of an eye. It also allows naruto's body to become hardened(like a medapod) and immune from damage. Examples of this is when naruto fell on a bed of spikes and did not get hurt.

    Sage Technique Spiraling Serial Spheres. The Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres is simply two Rasengan used simultaneously. Senjutsu chakra is added to the technique, which greatly enhances the strength of the attack.

    Wind Release: Naruto has shown to use his chakra and extend wind release through that. He has cut a waterfall merely by holding out his hands. This can prove deadly in combat as naruto can just wave his hand and cut the enemy.



    Now that the jutsu's are out of the way. Lets look at the ninja's skills in combat.

    Minato

    Intelligence: The intelligence Minato displays is far superior to shikamaru's. I say this due to the fact that it took him mere minutes to figure out how Kamui works and exploited its weakness and defeated obito. This is right here is a feat that no shinobi to date can match.

    Stamina: Minato has displayed an amazing amount of stamina being able to redirect TBB's, use FTG multiple times, Rasengan, multiple seals all without running out of chakra.

    Ninjutsu: Minato even though he has displayed very little ninjutsu has shown a mastery of it due to the fact that he created rasengan and could compress and form chakra.

    Genjutsu: N/A

    Taijutsu: He has not shown much taijutsu but in what he has shown he is formidable due to his FTG technique and Kunai. Also he fought A and B at the same time and outsmarted A very easily who is known to be a nintaijutsu master.

    Strength: No real feats of strength here so I cannot comment.

    Speed: This is Minato's most famous trait. Without FTG he was still an extremely fast shinobi. A's speed and reflexes is said to be on par with minato's and that's when its enhanced with lightening. Minato quite simply has an inhuman amount of speed naturally and his reflexes are so fast the second obito appeared behind him minato would of killed him with a kunai.



    Naruto

    Stamina: Naruto is an uzumaki which were known for their inhuman stamina and life force. Being related to the senju and direct descendants of the So6P he is granted stamina far beyond the average shinobi. It is said by Neji that naruto's stamina is comparable to Kisame's when Kisame was at 30%.

    Ninjutsu: Naruto is a master of ninjutsu due to his integration of wind release into rasengan. Not even Minato who tried for 3 years could not accomplish this feat. This feat in itself shows naruto is no joke when it comes to fighting with pure ninjutsu.

    Genjutsu: Naruto sucks at genjutsu his only option is the elder frogs.

    Taijutsu: Naruto has always been adept with taijutsu. In the beginning of part 2 he was able to fight toe to toe with kakashi and by the time he had mastered sage mode he bested pain who was considered unbeatable by both zetsu and Obito.

    Strength: Naruto with sage mode could pick up rhino's and huge boulders with ease throwing them hundreds of feet in the air. His strength is comparable to might gai and potentially Sakura and Tsunade.

    Speed: Naruto's speed is right up there with the best of the best in sage mode. He was able to intercept pain when he was inch away from tsunade. That alone speaks for itself.

    Intelligence: Naruto has shown a dramatic increase in intelligence. He now utilizes his clones more effectively learning how the enemy fights and does not require the mass of clones he did to win fights.



    Now I will show why naruto would beat Minato with just sage mode.

    Minato would be unable to harm naruto effectively in sage mode. His durability increases to the point where falling on a bed of spikes cannot harm him and even pains taijutsu could not harm him. It would not be a stretch to say his body becomes solid like a rock. Now rasengan does possess the capabilities to blow rocks open but its initial damage alone was not enough to destroy Obito (although it did blow his hand off) and that is a body that is structurally very similar to a normal humans. Minato's only option to harm him is to barrage him with rasengan as kunai's and shurrikens would not even have any effect.

    Minato will be unable to hit naruto with rasengan unless minato places a FTG seal on naruto. Now naruto's perception in sage mode is increased to the point where the 3rd Raikage(the most powerful raikage in history) enhanced with lightening could not even touch naruto. The 4th raikage who is enhanced with lightening is said that his speed is on par with minato's base speed. Therefore Minato could not touch naruto when he is in sage mode.

    As of now any form of attack is rendered useless due to being unable to land an attack or it would not harm naruto.

    Minato's flying thunder god is also rendered useless. Naruto having the ability to sense danger in sage mode will immediately know where Minato is.(see pic in spoiler)
    Minato does not have a chance of getting his hands on naruto as he will be immediately sensed and naruto can use his extension of chakra to harm him or perception/speed to land a rasengan.

    If the fight is taking place in a forest naruto can decimate the area with Gamabunta using an explosive tag and gamabuntas oil. No room to hide or cover the battle will always take place is an open battlefield.

    With this information present minato's only hopes of defeating naruto are now rendered useless. Any ability attempted can be avoided quite easily.

    Naruto is now able to attack Minato without fear of defeat.

    With naruto being able to incinerate the area using fire release and rasen shurriken he can now effectively and quickly destroy any FTG seals in the remote area. Minato would be forced to retreat to konoha or jump up into the air where he is vulnerable to attack.

    Minato's options are reduced to zero due to sage mode and will be forced to play defensively and or retreat. Naruto can create up to 5 clones in sage mode to gather chakra meaning while naruto is going all out with rasen shurrikens and minato is absorbing them with Space time barriers, minato will run out of chakra while naruto is constantly refueled by his clones which he can send away from the battlefield. The end result is minato running out of chakra and being destroyed by an AoE (area of effect) attack such as multiple kunai's and shurrikens, rasen shurrikens, or frog kata.

    This has been my first fully thought out vs thread. I have explained every characters battle orientated move and have provided links to support my conclusions and analysis below.







     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Minato can summon all toads too
    Minato has a barrier tag thing on Naruto
    Minato sealed the kyubi won't be surprised if he can unseal it
    Minato's intelligence will play a major role in this fight
    And he should be able to warp anything thrown to him like rasen shuriken


    I don't see minato losing at all Naruto makes stupid mistakes sometimes and minato can take advantage of those
     
         
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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    You underestimate quite just how versatile FTG is, Also FTG is not useless even with naruto's sensing. Showing a scan of Naruto counter the 3rd raikages speed (He's pretty fast but i doubt faster than A ) FTG is Far faster than A and the 3rd raikage.
    While Minato teleports, Naruto will not be able to sense him (since he moves from one world to the next), So for a split second naruto will be blind, So in an Instant naruto would need to Sense him, React to him and think up a defense.

    Dodging an attack you knoow is coming (3rd raikages attack) and dodging an instant attack that comes from nowhere (Minato with FTG) are completely different things.

    Also if Minato marks him, Lets say naruto throws a RS at him, Minato could quite easily create a barrier, Absorb ti and teleport it directly on top of naruto. Since the barrier can teleport to anything and anywhere there is an FTG marking.

    As for strength feats, Minato's kunai did this with a mere kanui, he didn't even use a element to increase it's strength. If this hit Sm naruto he wouldn't just shrug it off.


    Same goes for minato's rasengan, Yes it gives naruto some resistance, but he would not be able to take many hits from it, Also if naruto lets minato get close even once, he risks getting mark, (Note: Minato marked tobi the exact same time he hit him with rasengan and as i said once naruto has a marking on his body, It's over), So the rasengan doesn't need to outright kill him all he needs is a chance to tag him.

    If minato marks Naruto, it's over. The thing that makes FTG so hax is that minato marks the entire field, he can Pop up anywhere at any time in an instant, it's this unpredictability that makes him so damn dangerous.
    ^^this, There's no way Naruto would outsmart Minato. Naruto's only chance of beating him is overwhelmingly outpower and outspeeding him in BM.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    I think this is actually even.

    I can't see how Naruto is going to react to level 2 FTG fast enough to defend.
    Pointy rocks are a bit different to Rasengan, rocks are brittle and smash Rasengan is a drilling technique(essentially) so it's quite likely it could damage Naruto.
    If Naruto lets Minato touch him and place a seal then Naruto(too daft to notice it's on him) can't do much to defend.

    But let's say Rasengan wouldn't work.
    Rasenshuriken would.

    Why do I say that?

    Simple:
    minato is absorbing them with Space time barriers, minato will run out of chakra while naruto is constantly refueled by his clones
    See that's where you're wrong because every Rasenshuriken fired at Minato he can just fire right back at Naruto.
    And RSS can definitely kill someone in Sage Mode the added wind element would certainly slice through SM skin.

    Oh and if Minato lasts long enough for SM to run out, Naruto isn't getting the time to summon his clones(it's kind of unfair allowing Naruto that prep anyway) so he wouldn't be replenishing SM 5 times.


    As with every vs Minato fight speed and time are the key no battle with Minato is going to be long.
    The fight would be pretty short but it would be difficult for both of them.

    I agree Naruto would win but 50% of the time not 100% and high dif for wins.


    Since BM, Sage Mode has been greatly under rated when actually it is better in quite a few ways...
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    So much can be easily countered!

    was skimming thr, Naruto doesn't have Fire Release [That part was Jiraya's]

    Minato can also summon same toads and Ma,Pa but can use contract seal on Naruto thus making the summons his own.

    Minato can easily troll Naruto and make the SM Run out.

    I know SM Naruto is powerful and has his chances against Minato but not with your post! You haven't done the justice!
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Minato simply doesn't have the capability to take naruto even with his speed and FTG. He would need a boost in speed and an attack that would actually harm naruto.

    lol KM naruto was worried about a lose kunai which kakashi teleported and you think minato doesnt have any attack that could harm naruto? naruto was impaled by a rod. that stupid rod was not made and design as a weapon for cutting or impaling but his arms were IMPALED on THE GROUND and your saying he cant be hurt by minato? :rofl: lolololol

    flee on sight orders were given but doesnt have any tools to hurt?? lol dafaq kids nowadays
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

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    lol KM naruto was worried about a lose kunai which kakashi teleported and you think minato doesnt have any attack that could harm naruto? naruto was impaled by a rod. that stupid rod was not made and design as a weapon for cutting or impaling but his arms were IMPALED on THE GROUND and your saying he cant be hurt by minato? :rofl: lolololol

    flee on sight orders were given but doesnt have any tools to hurt?? lol dafaq kids nowadays
    That kunai had electricity on it so please stop making yourself look like you have autism.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    That kunai had electricity on it so please stop making yourself look like you have autism.
    do you think that kunai is stronger than minatos attack??? and what about the rod that impaled naruto on the ground??????????????
    come on!!!! bring it!!!



    with or without lightning it doesnt matter
     
         
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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    Quote Originally Posted by BloodSeed View Post
    do you think that kunai is stronger than minatos attack??? and what about the rod that impaled naruto on the ground??????????????
    come on!!!! bring it!!!





    with or without lightning it doesnt matter


    ^I'm still on Minato's side here but Naruto wasn't in SM when Pain pierced him.

    There's no evidence to suggest that a well placed Rasengan couldn't damage him, if Sage Mode was really that good he wouldn't be using Bijuu Mode or Nine Tails Chakra Mode at all because that would make SM far far better.


    In SM Naruto just doesn't have the chakra reserves to take on Minato as soon as it run out he'd be finished and it's only good for 5 minutes if he isn't spamming Rasengan constantly which is what he does.
     
         

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    Re: 100% Proof Sage Mode Naruto Owns Minato low-medium difficulty

    People these days are just wow..
    minato broke hachibi's tentacle with just a kunai - no enhancements
    all minato will have to do in this fight is keep distance till SM runs out and if naruto chucks RasenShuriken as him warp it back to him
    and then just teleport to him and kill him
     
         

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