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    Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    This isn't a troll thread, i'll be giving clear examples as to why it ruins the naruto name. Sorry for any typos im on a phone.

    1:The original series was about ninjas. Stealth, tactics, sneaking up on enemies. Shippuden fight scenarios go like this. "character approaches enemy, uses jutsu in front of enemy, disregards anything with tactics, uses same jutsu over again until fight ends". This is how a fight in the original series went down. "character thinks of plan, character attemps to ambush, ambush fails, mixes taijutsu with some ninjutsu attacks, thinks of another plan, repeat. Now shippuden dis start like that "ie naruto and sakura vs kakashi, deidara vs gaara, sasori vs sakura and chiyo" but as the series progressed we get fights like team gai vs clones, naruto vs orochimaru, team kakashi vs sasuke (first time at the hideout), and naruto vs kyuubi. Those were all straight up lets fight without strategy. They're more fights like that where they don't implament strategy or stealth. Kakashi said when naruto appeared on the bridge to help sasuke fight haku that a ninja never uses their jutsu in front of the enemy and does anyone remember the code sentence from the forest of death team 7 used? Shippuden fights consist of nothing ninja related in regards to the first series which made use of it heavily.

    2:Consistency is another issue. Its great that stories evolve but disregarding everything you write is just ridiculous. Ages don't add up with whats been happening with the manga. AO stated that yagura was under a genjutsu and thats why the bloody mist happened. Thats inheritantly not true as in 605 the ninja say they're from the bloody mist. We know obito was the one who controlled her so that doesn't add up. Kishi is always changing the strongest hokage like it was the third then fourth and now first. The timeline doesn't add up with the databooks which kishi wrote might I add.

    3 the story doesnt have a ninja like feel. It usually makes me think i'm watching dbz or reading dbz. The key elements that make up a ninja are gone. Its not about strategy its abOut whoever has senju dna, sharingan, rinnegan, or who is a perfect jinchurriki. Remember when team 11 wasn't behind naruto in terms of power. For the majority of the series it was like that. Now they're weak and useless....like raditz. All jokes aside in shippuden team 11 character development was disregarded and only naruto, choji, and sasuke got powerful. Sakura kinda did but she lost her resolve somewhere. Another thing that irks me is how the five kage were stated to be powerful and in previous fight it was amazing seeing them wreck faces but against madara raikage wasn't too helpful and mei was good in the beginning but kishi forgot about those two and focused on onoki and tsunade. It seems silly to make someone appear so powerful yet make them look like fodder against the most powerful character. I'll finish with my next point.

    4: kishi rushed through the end of shippuden. No kakashi 1000 jutsus, no end to the kages fight, no word from team 11 (which im just gonna start calling them team raditz). I mean naruto didn't feel rushed but shippuden towards the end was rushed. Major fights were left out.

    Note this is just my opinion. I do love this series and support kishi by buying his manga, but to me shippuden just doesn't seem like a good successor to the naruto name. Its plagued by inconsistency, ninja elements are not as heavily there, and it feels rushed.
     
         
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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    I don't need to read your wall of text at all. I can get my answer right of by just reading your title.

    Shippuden is no disgrace, first of all you probably can't draw and second of all you handle all you can't handle all this drawing, plotting, working, colouring and etc.

    Nuff said.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    I agree with the last point you made
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Dream~ View Post
    I don't need to read your wall of text at all. I can get my answer right of by just reading your title.

    Shippuden is no disgrace, first of all you probably can't draw and second of all you handle all you can't handle all this drawing, plotting, working, colouring and etc.

    Nuff said.
    Well then your opinion is worthless is you didn't read.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    When was it said that Obito controlled Yagura causing the bloody mist?
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    I agree with your points more or less but I still like it and its still one of the greatest animes :D
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    First off kishi is explaining the plotholes currently so be patient.
    Secondly if you want to watch a another show about straight up ninjas be my guest.
    Thirdly this kishimotos version of ninjas with powers (Ninjutsu,genjutsu) not your average sneak 10 sec assisanation done, nope that would be boring!
    But its your opinion so I respect that.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikashu View Post
    When was it said that Obito controlled Yagura causing the bloody mist?
    ^Yeah this is true. We still arent a hundred percent sure it was Obito controlling Yagura. Hence, your second point is invalid.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    your face is a disgrace
    if it's such a disgrace why would you make a wall of text about it on a naruto site :flaw:

    EDIT: When you can create a manga better than kish's then you have the right to call anything about naruto a disgrace
    but until you can sell thousands of copies every week with a manga gtfo and s.t.f.u.
     
         
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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Well then your opinion is worthless is you didn't read.
    Also, just because someone doesn't read your shitty wall of text that was summed up in the title, doesn't make their opinion worthless. your opinion has just as much worth as Dream's.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Agree with everything....good read
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikashu View Post
    When was it said that Obito controlled Yagura causing the bloody mist?
    Kisame recognized obito was (he has the same hair as he did when he controlled yagura.) also he said sorry for deceiving you after deidara died and kisame said oh its you.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Well, even though I don't consider it a disgrace, I have to agree with what you said up there.
    But what saves Shippuden for me is Pein Arc, that's it.
    But the rest is well... not how I expected it to be, to say it nicely.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    I can agree with Kishi focusing more on the elements though.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Kisame recognized obito was (he has the same hair as he did when he controlled yagura.) also he said sorry for deceiving you after deidara died and kisame said oh its you.
    Yeah but half of Obito's face is messed up, and at this point even with long hair he wouldn't look like Madara (You know cause half his face is all messed up)...
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Well I agree to an extent. Several factors were thrown out in Part 2 that made fights in Part 1 pretty interesting. The actual plot line was pretty nice too, or maybe just had less things to pick on in Part 1. However I wouldn't say it's a disgrace since I like Part 2 better than Part 1.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Well, even though I don't consider it a disgrace, I have to agree with what you said up there.
    But what saves Shippuden for me is Pein Arc, that's it.
    But the rest is well... not how I expected it to be, to say it nicely.
    Im not beating around the bush with this one. Its gotten to the point where kishi doesnt care.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    lol amusing but i can kind of relate i have begun watching naruto part 1 and they use more tactics but shippuden they just charge in and fight
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuko Sayomi View Post
    Yeah but half of Obito's face is messed up, and at this point even with long hair he wouldn't look like Madara (You know cause half his face is all messed up)...
    Kisame still recognized him as the man who controlled yagura.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Kisame still recognized him as the man who controlled yagura.
    Could've been a Zetsu clone and Obito was behind him
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

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    Im not beating around the bush with this one. Its gotten to the point where kishi doesnt care.
    Guess so. Dunno what to say.

    Inconsistency, power-ups, undeveloped characters, favoritism.
    For what I did like Shippuden though was for its life lessons, but that's it. Other things have let me down.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

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    Could've been a Zetsu clone and Obito was behind him
    It could of been ramen guy using a henge jutsu too lol
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    i love naruto shippudden although, your 4th point has been bugging me too,it really was rushed at some point
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Guess so. Dunno what to say.

    Inconsistency, power-ups, undeveloped characters, favoritism.
    For what I did like Shippuden though was for its life lessons, but that's it. Other things have let me down.
    I agree completely. It definitely had good times and moments like jiraiyas death was epic and the beginning.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

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    It could of been ramen guy using a henge jutsu too lol
    See! Could be anyone.
     
         

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