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    Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Ok has anyone else thought about this:
    the main reason why Sarutobi-sama said he had to prevent the fourth hokage's coffin from opening was because Sarutobi uses Earth and Fire and blood-line mud. Whereas the fourth hokage uses Lightning. Since Sarutobi doesn't use wind, he can't beat the fourth's lightning. Therefore he would be at a very great disadvantage. The reason why the first and the second weren't a problem was because the first had a speciality in wood which could eventually be burned by Sarutobi's fire (countered) and the second uses water which would be countered by Sarutobi's Earth jutsu's.

    Wind Beats Lightning
    Lightning beats Earth
    Earth beats Water
    Water beats fire
    Fire beats Wind



    Of course it was Yondaime's speed and chakra reserve that would also be threatening to Sarutobi... but it was mainly because Yondaime used lightning that caused Sarutobi to say he must stop the fourth.
    /discuss
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    it was not Minato 100%...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    it was not Minato 100%...
    ... It might've been someone else's coffin?
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan View Post
    Ok has anyone else thought about this:
    the main reason why Sarutobi-sama said he had to prevent the fourth hokage's coffin from opening was because Sarutobi uses Earth and Fire and blood-line mud. Whereas the fourth hokage uses Lightning. Since Sarutobi doesn't use wind, he can't beat the fourth's lightning. Therefore he would be at a very great disadvantage. The reason why the first and the second weren't a problem was because the first had a speciality in wood which could eventually be burned by Sarutobi's fire (countered) and the second uses water which would be countered by Sarutobi's Earth jutsu's.

    Wind Beats Lightning
    Lightning beats Earth
    Earth beats Water
    Water beats fire
    Fire beats Wind



    Of course it was Yondaime's speed and chakra reserve that would also be threatening to Sarutobi... but it was mainly because Yondaime used lightning that caused Sarutobi to say he must stop the fourth.
    /discuss
    Where does it ever say that the 4ths element was lightning? I don't think I ever saw anywhere where it said that.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan View Post
    Ok has anyone else thought about this:
    the main reason why Sarutobi-sama said he had to prevent the fourth hokage's coffin from opening was because Sarutobi uses Earth and Fire and blood-line mud. Whereas the fourth hokage uses Lightning. Since Sarutobi doesn't use wind, he can't beat the fourth's lightning. Therefore he would be at a very great disadvantage. The reason why the first and the second weren't a problem was because the first had a speciality in wood which could eventually be burned by Sarutobi's fire (countered) and the second uses water which would be countered by Sarutobi's Earth jutsu's.

    Wind Beats Lightning
    Lightning beats Earth
    Earth beats Water
    Water beats fire
    Fire beats Wind



    Of course it was Yondaime's speed and chakra reserve that would also be threatening to Sarutobi... but it was mainly because Yondaime used lightning that caused Sarutobi to say he must stop the fourth.
    /discuss
    where did you read that
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    it was not Minato 100%...
    it was minato (yondaime) the 4th hokage and 3rd hokage knew it...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenShadowNinja View Post
    Where does it ever say that the 4ths element was lightning? I don't think I ever saw anywhere where it said that.
    you are right... my mistake.
     
         
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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    The reason why the 3rd stopped the 4th coffin from rising was because he knew he would be totally unable to fight the 1st, 2nd and 4th all at the same time considering that the 4th was the greatest Hokage the village has had.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenShadowNinja View Post
    Where does it ever say that the 4ths element was lightning? I don't think I ever saw anywhere where it said that.
    lol me either, the 4th looks like a wind/water user something in that nature. I couldnt see him using lighting jutsus.
    xD
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by GriffinofKonoha View Post
    The reason why the 3rd stopped the 4th coffin from rising was because he knew he would be totally unable to fight the 1st, 2nd and 4th all at the same time considering that the 4th was the greatest Hokage the village has had.
    Yeah the 4th was too strong for the 3rd
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Doubt it has anything to do with weakness/strength in elements but rather how his flying thunder god technique would ultimately faceroll the 3rd in an instant. It's just simply too potent...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    I find it more interesting in why the 4th coffin FAILED

    (In anime 3rd stopped it...Maybe kishi planned some future event where 4th was alive but decided against it and put the 3rd stopping it in the anime to finalise the deal???)

    Orochimaru doesnt seem like the type to fail a jutsu, especially when the other 2 worked.

    I'm more interested in that than why the 3rd didnt want the 4th to rise again (mainly because the 3rd was crapping himself at the idea of the 4th fighting him and the fact he said prior to the fight to anko that even he couldnt fight on the 4ths level, so yeah, basically the 4th would have owned the 3rd a new one)
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    I find it more interesting in why the 4th coffin FAILED

    (In anime 3rd stopped it...Maybe kishi planned some future event where 4th was alive but decided against it and put the 3rd stopping it in the anime to finalise the deal???)

    Orochimaru doesnt seem like the type to fail a jutsu, especially when the other 2 worked.

    I'm more interested in that than why the 3rd didnt want the 4th to rise again (mainly because the 3rd was crapping himself at the idea of the 4th fighting him and the fact he said prior to the fight to anko that even he couldnt fight on the 4ths level, so yeah, basically the 4th would have owned the 3rd a new one)
    The 3rd used a jutsu to stop the 4th from coming. Its some sort of jutsu that you have to use the same amount of chakra to stop it as the user has to do to initiate it.

    *edit* nvm what I just said. Forgot that wasn't the manga.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan View Post
    Ok has anyone else thought about this:
    the main reason why Sarutobi-sama said he had to prevent the fourth hokage's coffin from opening was because Sarutobi uses Earth and Fire and blood-line mud. Whereas the fourth hokage uses Lightning. Since Sarutobi doesn't use wind, he can't beat the fourth's lightning. Therefore he would be at a very great disadvantage. The reason why the first and the second weren't a problem was because the first had a speciality in wood which could eventually be burned by Sarutobi's fire (countered) and the second uses water which would be countered by Sarutobi's Earth jutsu's.

    Wind Beats Lightning
    Lightning beats Earth
    Earth beats Water
    Water beats fire
    Fire beats Wind



    Of course it was Yondaime's speed and chakra reserve that would also be threatening to Sarutobi... but it was mainly because Yondaime used lightning that caused Sarutobi to say he must stop the fourth.
    /discuss
    The mud wasn't bloodline. It was a technique used by Earth Release.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by UnknowNinjaName View Post
    it was minato (yondaime) the 4th hokage and 3rd hokage knew it...
    No it wasnt. You cant prove it.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    orochimaru used the edu-tensai tehnique,to proved to his sensei that he had mastered the forbidden tehnique he performed it in front of his sensei eyes,he used this tehnique to summoned the death body of the 1st,2nd and even the 4th hokage rised from their death,unfurtuneatly sandaime only had time and capable to dispelled one of those coffin,and he dispelled the coffin of the 4th hokage,yes its the 4th coffin,cuz orochimaru summoned all the death hokage,so he summoned all 3 hokage from their death,sandaime knew the 4th abilities in fight,he also knew that the 4th will overpower him,so he dispelled the fourth rise from the death,after summoned by the edu-tensai tehnique oro gave them an order from a piece of paper attached to the kunai...so it was yondaime coffin,and sandaime prevented it from rise cuz he knew that he will be overpower if the fourth rise from the death.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    No one can prove that the third coffin was Minato.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    no one can prove that the third coffin was minato.
    yes we can oro says its a hokage battle
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Because he didn't want to fight his apprentice and because he didnt want to fight all the 3 Hokages alltogether?
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    No it wasnt. You cant prove it.
    it is dude wtf are you talking about
    (Oro said that it will be an hokage battle just like hiroshi said )

    oro was trying to get all the hokages and he did but only the 4th Failed and the 4th was minato
     
         
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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by NineTailedSharingan View Post
    it is dude wtf are you talking about
    (Oro said that it will be an hokage battle just like hiroshi said )

    oro was trying to get all the hokages and he did but only the 4th Failed and the 4th was minato
    SO? LOL... It only had the number fourth. It could have been the fourth Kazekage... Who is also a kage...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    The Sandaime Kazekage would have fit nicely there, however, making the pattern 1, 2, 3, ect.

    The "but we didn't know anything about him yet" argument: We knew just as much as we did about the Sandaime Kazekage at the time as we did about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages. The only difference: We knew what the Shodai and Nidaime Hokage's faces looked like. And the flashbacks of Sarutobi with Shodai and Nidaime? To intoduce them to us a little. Face it, before the fight, we knew just about as much about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages as we knew about the Sandaime Kazekage: practically nothing. If the Sandaime Kazekage was first summoned here in his real body, instead of during the Sasori fight as a puppet, we would have learned about who he was there during the fight. Baki or someone would somehow noticed one of the Sandaime Kazekage's ninjutsus and say "That... couldn't be!" like one of the Anbu did when they noticed Shodai's jutsu.

    The "Sarutobi was afraid of who was in the coffin" argument: Sandaime was already going to have to fight two other Kages and then Orochimaru, a very difficult thing to do. It didn't really matter who was in the coffin, he just didn't want to have to fight a total of four opponents. From the pattern, it's almost 99% chance of being true that the person in the last coffin was another Kage. If that summon had been succesful, Sarutobi would have had to fight a total of four Kages (Orochimaru=Otokage), which is nowhere near an easy thing to do.
    And don't forget the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand jutsus are just as dangerous as Shodai's mokuton jutsus and Nidaime's suiton jutsus. Fighting three people who use techniques such as those would be no where near easy, so he had to take down at least one coffin, to give himself a better chance of winning. Fighting four Kages would have just been too much for Sarutobi, and he knew he had to take one out, if he wanted a good chance of winning.

    The "Sarutobi knew it was Yondaime" argument: And Sarutobi can't be wrong? He has some psychic powers that told him he was going to summon Yondaime? Summoning the Sandime Kazekage would have also completed and made a pattern. Sarutobi's hunch was that it was going to be Yondaime. However, it could have just as easily been the Sandaime Kazekage.
    Character's can be wrong and make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this. After all, if this were right, I assume Sai must be right about Naruto making a mistake and only would have gotten in the way during the teamwork training exercise. And that Itachi must be right about how killing your best friend is the only way to get the MS. Face it, characters can make mistakes and be wrong and there is every chance that Sarutobi could have been wrong here.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    SO? LOL... It only had the number fourth. It could have been the fourth Kazekage... Who is also a kage...
    Omg dude why are you talking crap he was trying to get the 4th ( Minato ) if he is trying to get 1st and 2nd hokage then he would try to get the 4th too and you must have seen 3th face when he saw the last chest he said i cant let that happen because he knew that its was the 4th hokage

    Omg dude dont be so cocky :mad:
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by NineTailedSharingan View Post
    Omg dude why are you talking crap he was trying to get the 4th ( Minato ) if he is trying to get 1st and 2nd hokage then he would try to get the 4th too and you must have seen 3th face when he saw the last chest he said i cant let that happen because he knew that its was the 4th hokage

    Omg dude dont be so cocky :mad:
    i just gave a proper argument above. I am waiting for yours...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Ok so right now we're not sure who exactly was in the third coffin ?
     
         

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