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    another theory i found (requested)

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    The Mother of All Theories: Kishimoto Encrypted Core Algorithm

    Symbols are a language. They can help us understand our past. As it says goes pictures could say a thousand words, but which words.

    Understanding our past determines actively our ability to understand the present. So, how do we shift truth from belief? How do we write our own history personally, or culturally? And by define it our self, how do we penetrate years, centuries, of historical distortion to find original truth. Tonight this will be our quest.

    Tom Hanks as Professor Sir Robert Langdon


    Forewords


    Before we continue, I need to inform that ideas and concepts for this theory have been prepared for long. I kept delaying to build the whole body of theory because of material insufficiency. That, and for certain reason the contents of the theory itself might comprise of sensitive issues.

    This theory is the first part of total three connective theories. It serves as a perimeter recognizer. It can be also said as Kishimoto’s fundamental concepts seeker or a core algorithm detector. Though this theory can be seen as a separate object among the others, its full position can be viewed by the presence of the two sequels in advance.

    The mother of all theory is a term parodied from the Mother of all Bombs. The MOAB is the strongest non nuclear bomb created by US government (On 11 September 2007 the Russian military announced that it had tested what it called the "Father of All Bombs"). The MOAB is also known as the Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb. Like the MOAB, the MOAT purposely to destroy Kishimoto’s multi-layer (three layers) stronghold and unveil its original foundation.


    This is the copy Mangaka Kishimoto’s personal reflection. “A ninja must see underneath the underneath.”

    I must say this is the hardest theory I ever made. It contains multiple symbolisms and codes to break. You might think the theory section finally at peace without the presence of my theories anymore. Well, sorry to bring you the bad news that you’re not that lucky.

    Yeah, hope you guys enjoy this one.


    Introductory

    There was one first page or maybe a cover of Naruto manga that had made me interested in making this theory. It was from chapter 183. There written a side note: “Taking each step with unwavering determination they reach for honor and begin to climb to the Promised Land. “ I began to wander in curiosity searching for its true meaning, including consulted my colleague, in The United Religion of the world FC, Fonz_Kakashi about it. Later in this theory you’ll find that Kishimoto might be using certain symbolisms from the ancient Hebrew history. A subtle religious symbolism lies within the Will of Fire and Konoha.


    Chapter 183 page 01. Inane Scanlation, Colored by Unknown artist

    A Brief about will of Fire

    Kishimoto has injected a concept of religious called Will of Fire within Naruto. Will of Fire firstly introduced around Volume 16 in chapter 137-139. It became more assertive in around chapter 320-330. At that time Pein explained to Hidan (Both are part of the Villain characters in the manga) that The Leaf ninja are far from Godless. The Leaf (the central location of the manga) said to have a view on the generation before them as heavenly being and follow the “Will of Fire”.

    Although a holistic explanation on the WOF has never been shown, the manga (Kishimoto) has provided us the main part of it. The WOF explained as bonds between the Leafs that serve as values to support, help, respect and protect very important people to them. (We are who we protect and what us standing for).These bonds getting wider and strong as a person grow. Because people are expected to develop and expand their relationship with others since they were born. Later in chapter 329 the Leaf has shown as a society that believing in a higher being which is considered as the critical requirement for being said as religious civilization.

    Will of Fire actually plays important role in the progress of the leaf ninja. Will of Fire connects every citizen in one single faith and not by clansmen or political obligation. This kind of system is necessary when a society comprises of various demographic background. It serves as an instrument of unification. This system creates favorable condition when people can achieve their common goals while also promoting their own individual goals. By minimizing potential conflicts and raises the common understanding of equality. Thus, reduce internal frictions for more accelerated development progress of the village as a community.

    Will of Fire Symbolizes The God of Israel

    The God of Hebrews and the Will of Fire have one thing particular in common, both have manifested in fire. As described in the Bible Exodus 3:2 the GOH appeared in a flame of fire out of the midst of the bush at the peak of Mount Sinai. In the other hand the WOF (Will of Fire) need no for further explanation since the name has explained it self blatantly, it’s a self-evident. Hypothetically saying both are somehow related.


    And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Exodus 3:2 (King James Version)
    Exodus - The Holy Bible - King James Version


    The phrase being used, "the Promised Land", amplify the hypothetical correlation between Will of fire with the God of Hebrew. Promised Land was the land for Moses follower that been promised by the God of Hebrew. According to the Bible and scholar analysis, it was a place named Canaan. Kishimoto’s diction and choices, on “The Will of Fire” combined with “Promised Land” and the choice for the image designed in the chapter 183’s cover, seems rather more sophisticate than just merely coincidences.

    The term Hebrew has similar essential meaning with shinobi community. The term Hebrew almost always occurs in the Old Testament as a name given to the Israelites by other peoples, rather than one used by themselves. Hebrew is derived from Habiru, a variant spelling of Hapiru (apiru) (it might be how the ancient Egyptian called them) a designation of a class of people who made their living by hiring themselves out for various services. The same as Hebrew, Shinobi village also act as a community who make their living by accepting missions ordered or requested by clients. Those shinobis will earn payment in exchange for accomplished jobs or missions they took. As you remember shinobis serve for various kind of missions depends on what level of difficulty the mission is.

    The Twelve Tribes of Israel and The Twelve Guardian Ninja of the Leaf


    There’s also small but interesting coincidence about the number of the tribes of Israelites with the number of Guardian Ninja of the Leaf. They are both respectively consists of twelve tribes and twelve guardian ninjas.

    The tribes of Hebrews, Israelites, are originated from one noble man, his name was Jacob. Jacob had twelve sons. Because the tribes were named after sons or grandsons of Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel by God), the Hebrew people became known as Israelites.

    By divine decree, the 12 tribes of Israel—one tribe for each of Jacob’s children—were to wander in the desert for 40 years, after which time a new generation would conquer the land of Canaan. Joshua succeeded Moses as leader. According to one biblical account, Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan, swiftly subdued the inhabitants, and set up the Israelite tribal confederation, with each tribe allotted a portion of land. As other biblical accounts make clear, however, and as historians agree, things did not go quite so smoothly. The Israelites had to contend with others for control of Canaan, which they came to call Eretz Israel (“the land of Israel”).

    For about two centuries after arriving in Canaan, the Israelite tribal confederation functioned mostly as a military alliance. Tribes came to the aid of one another when threatened by outside forces, especially by the Philistines, a people who lived in the southern part of Canaan. Toward the end of these two centuries a prophet named Samuel emerged as the spiritual leader of the Israelites. The military threat from the Philistines continued, however, and the Israelite tribes clamored for a king who would unite the tribes and serve as military commander for the people as a whole.

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    We can borrow the concept of tribal confederation of the Hebrews for the 12 guardian ninja of the Leaf. The twelve guardian Ninja might serves as representatives (or ambassadors) for certain category of demographic status, such as tribes or professionals. These representatives might have role in occasions such a summit to discuss political, military alliance or, public policy in the Land of Fire, the Promised Land.
     
         
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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    The weakness of the premise above is we only have very few facts regarding the twelve Guardians. So far we’ve only got that they are consists of twelve persons, and the two of them are Chiriku and Asuma. There are none that explain about their duty, significance or tribal representative. In fact, we have never introduced about tribal existence in the Leaf.


    Chiriku, one of the twelve Guardian Ninja. He spent his life inside a monastery devoted his life for his God.
    Scanslation used: Jinchuuriki team.


    However, I will add one more intriguing fact regarding the two subjects. There is a tribe of Hebrew that said to be devoted in the service to the Lord God. The tribe’s name is the Levi. You can clarify this on the Bible in Exodus 32: 25-29, and Exodus 12. This tribe (the Levites) was also the tribe of which Moses belonged to. Apparently, we’ve been shown that Chiriku, one of the Twelve Guardian ninja, had spent his life inside the Fire Temple as a monk. Chiriku has been proven as the man who devoted his life to the service of his God.


    Who Is the King?


    Let say, you’ve come to my place. I really appreciate that. Now, it’s time for me to do some tricks. It’s the tricky part, the part I enjoy the most.

    During some chapters backward Asuma had brought us a perception about the King in Konoha. Theories had arisen during those days waiting for Kishimoto to finally reveal it. Different thought and perspective resulted in different opinions from theorists. Eventually, Kishimoto revealed the King as unborn children of Konoha. However, there were some theorists who actually believe that the King is most likely Naruto.

    During sometime after they conquered the land of Canaan, the Hebrews started to refine their government system. The Hebrew was a society which comprises of tribes. They also sometimes suffered from surroundings territories military act. As the population grew the Hebrew decided to unify and formed a kingdom. This kingdom led by a king. The King has roles for the country’s (Eretz Israel) sovereign ruler of the land, spiritual leader and the supreme commander of military forces for the homeland security.

    Ladies and gentlemen I present you the most iconic King of Israel …David


    Taken from Mashashi Kishimoto’s Naruto chapter 35 page 01; Edited by Mephisto 401. Translated by AKofTroy.

    Since I’m a generous person you’re not only get one picture but you’ll get two! ^___^ ..here goes


    The right picture is “David,” a marble sculpture by Gian Lorenzo Bernini, 1623–24. In the Borghese Gallery, Rome. The left picture is Naruto taken from Kishimoto Masashi’s Naruto Chapter 165 page 01.

    Rasenshuriken is Naruto-self created jutsu based on rasengan combined with wind element chakra. The current rasenshuriken is only at 50% of its fullest development. Regardless of its devastating power when it aimed at certain object, the 50% rasenshuriken still has disadvantage at causing damage also to the attacker.

    As the name suggests, Rasen-shuriken might eventually reach its 100% as a discharging or hurling energy technique. Thus, eliminates the negative effect to the attacker. Such mechanism may virtually shares similarity with how to use sling as a weapon.

    Sling, device often used in the past as a weapon to discharge a stone or other heavy object with great force at a target. It usually consisted of two cords attached to a piece of leather on which the missile was placed. The attacker whirled the weapon above the head, imparting centrifugal force to it, before discharging the missile at the target. The biblical giant Goliath was slain by a stone hurled from a sling by the young David. This weapon was used effectively in battle by the Greeks and Romans and continued in use until the Middle Ages, when the use of catapult and ballista became widespread against fortifications.

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    The main character of the manga, Naruto, about to hurl his sling rasenshuriken.
    Colors by METALANIME, Cleaned by Shade.



    Interesting Findings


    During my research for the theory I’ve found several intriguing occurance. The first is about Dattebayo, one of the famous anime fan sub service. The second is from historical investigation about the Ten Lost Tribes of Hebrew.

    --Dattebayo’s with their Hebrew Concern--

    Dattebayo is one of the well known groups that provide Naruto anime on the internet for free. Usually Dattebayo includes a message within their releases. The message usually appears soon after the opening ended. It becomes a known fact also that they sometimes write comment or message regarding racial issues. And among those racial comments, the Hebrew gained more attention than others. Such comments that once appeared in their releases are:

    “Typical Jews crap”;
    “It’s better to be Hebrew than (Insert any race here)”;
    “We must stop the translated release for Naruto in other languages but the Hebrew translation remains published” (or something like that)

    --The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel--

    Another interesting finding is information regarding the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The people of Israel or Jewish people that we know today’s actually descendants from only two tribes of the total twelve tribes of Israel. They are generation from the tribes Judah and Benjamin. The other ten tribes apparently remains lost in history.

    Historically, the ancient people of Hebrew had established two kingdoms. In 930 BC the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the 2 other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BC, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history.

    Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Historical experts have been doing hard work to find them. One generation that being suggested as descendants from one of those ten lost tribes is the Japanese.

    Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Nestorians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Falashas of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC.
    "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel." Encyclopædia Britannica. Ultimate Reference Suite. Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica, 2008.
    The ultimate fate of these people is unknown and has been the subject of intense speculation by historians and biblical scholars. Such speculation has led to theories that the tribes immigrated to prehistoric North and South America; that they became the Nestorian Christians in Asia; or that they became the ancestors of various Hindu castes. Various other theories have located the lost tribes in Ethiopia, Afghanistan, China, and Japan.

    "Lost Tribes." Microsoft® Student 2007 [DVD]. Redmond, WA: Microsoft Corporation, 2006.
    Wikipedia’s provided information on the Lost Tribes of Israel:

    Joseph Eidelberg's "The Biblical Hebrew Origin of the Japanese People" makes a similar case:

    Later in his life, Joseph Eidelberg began analyzing ancient traditions, religious ceremonies, historical names, haiku poems, Kana writings and Japanese folk songs, discovering thousands of words with similar pronunciations, sounds and translations between Hebrew and Japanese. These discoveries are history in the making, giving credible new information on the meanings of many unknown Japanese words, numbers, songs and cultural traditions – and this book is the first time that these remarkable similarities are combined into a single consistent theory
    See also

    Ten Lost Tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Los...m#The_Japanese

    Isn’t that amazing to imagine that Kishimoto might has the same ancestor with David, the King of Ancient Israel ^__^

    Closure

    Words have been written, pictures have been presented, and evidences have been brought to surface. Nevertheless, the original truth remains lies within Kishimoto’s mind. The only widely accepted fact about Naruto is one of great Manga from Shonen Weekly Jump Series.

    I write the theory is for sharing some thought. It’s your privilege whether to deny and find the original truth or maybe define your own truth. In the worst condition this theory could be a good example of how a goofy theorist interpreting facts to support his own conclusion that Kishimoto is subtly using Liturgical God of Hebrew for the Will of fire and Konoha for Canaan, the Promised Land.
     
         
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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    looks like peacfull copied his theory too ??? :confused:
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Update of the Core algorithm.


    Kishimoto’s Confirmation.....


    The King. Taken from chapter 342 page 01

    The four frogs symbolize the four famous kings of Israel, started from Saul, David, Solomon, and finally Jesus.

    Pay attention on the written characters on the frogs’s skin. I’ll give you more tricks.

    So, this is the symbol I meant.


    We can easily recognized those characters are from the Greek alphabet. We can examine them one by one in a clockwise direction.
    1. “E” is the uppercase of Greek’s “Epsilon”
    2. The second letter has two possibilities. It can be a lower case of “lambda” = “λ” or the lower case of “pi” = “π”
    3. “X” is the uppercase of Greek’s “Chi”
    4. “I” is the uppercase of Greek’s “Iota”


    Those Greek’s letters have transliteration to the modern alphabets.
    E (epsilon) is transliterated as “e”.
    Λ (lambda) is transliterated as “l”; and π (pi) transliterated as “p”.
    X (chi) is transliterated as “ch”.
    I (Iota) is transliterated as “i”

    If we put the letters together we will gain something amazing. If we combine the letter E and π we will got “Ep”, which is doesn’t look like to mean something. But if we combine the E and λ we will got “El”, which means “God” in ancient time (Greek, Hebrew, Roman, etc) and in many scriptures. Meanwhile, IX is the famous initial (abbreviation) has been used since the first century of Christianity which refers to Greek’s words “Ιησους”/”Iesous” (Greek for “Jesus”) and Χριστóς/”Christos” (Greek for “Christ”). So, the “El” plus the “IX” can be literary means “God” and” “Jesus Christ” or “Jesus Messiah” (“Christ” is Greek version of Hebrew’s “Messiah”). See the broader explanation in the sequel of this theory (link:The Encrypted Uzumaki Naruto Algorithm), especially at the Ichtys (Jesus Fish).
     
         
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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by GarFiku View Post
    looks like peacfull copied his theory too ??? :confused:
    yes he did, the theorys are from the same author, read the other theory i posted i explained it all there.
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by Smidvin View Post
    yes he did, the theorys are from the same author, read the other theory i posted i explained it all there.
    Dude You Lost me Threw Out The WHole Thread I Understand Some Of It Dow
     
         
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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by uzicanSage View Post
    Do You Lost me Threw Out The WHole Thread I Understand Some Of It Dow
    Do i lost you? please use comma when u are writing :D
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    very cool
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by Smidvin View Post
    Do i lost you? please use comma when u are writing :D
    My Fault, I Fixed It Sorry I Was Rushing
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by uzicanSage View Post
    My Fault, I Fixed It Sorry I Was Rushing
    oh, thanks :D yea its heavy matherial, but if u read the paragraphs under the pictures, u'll get some of it.
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by GarFiku View Post
    looks like peacfull copied his theory too ??? :confused:
    LOL... Do oy actually read what i write??? I guess no...
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    LOL... Do oy actually read what i write??? I guess no...
    Whats the problem? It was originally ordycitizens theory, so you copied it from him, like i did.
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Noobzzzzzzzz
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

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    What would be the reason that you are calling us noobs?
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    interesting.....I have to think on this one and my theory...Nice find...
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    interesting.....I have to think on this one and my theory...Nice find...
    did u check the 3rd post? the one with spoiler and frogs saying God and Jesus Christ.
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Naruto View Post
    Whats the problem? It was originally ordycitizens theory, so you copied it from him, like i did.
    Yeah but i mentioned it. He shouldnt have asked if he actually read it...
     
         

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    Re: another theory i found (requested)

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    Yeah but i mentioned it. He shouldnt have asked if he actually read it...
    alright, thanks for clearing that out, i misunderstood a bit.
     
         

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