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    Things to be explained

    Alright, so Tobi was Obito. This means that Kishi is either a very, very linear author when it comes to plot, or he still has an ace up his sleeve for the explanation. If it turns out that he is just an extremely linear author, then all the plot holes we've discussed prior to knowing his identity are just really plot holes that Kishi left in the story due to whatever excuse. I have a couple of things I'd like discuss. If I didn't cover any other issues with Obito being Tobi, please politely point out any issue that needs to be explained.

    >1. Tobi vs Yondaime fight
    Issue: Size and skill. As of this moment, it makes no sense to me how Obito could have possibly went toe to toe with Minato and control the Kyubi at age 12-16. (I'm not sure what age he would've been, if you know please point it out.) I sort of suspected that there might have been two masked men during different times, and one of them fought Minato but I retraced my steps and found out the problem. Tobi used Kamui to fight Minato. As far as we know, Kakashi and Obito only have Kamui.

    >2. Obito and Nagato
    Issue: Age. I always believed that Nagato, Karin, and Yahiko were all older than Minato. The reason why I believed this was because I was under the impression that Jiraiya was Nagato's sensei before he was Minato's. If this is true, then Obito wouldn't have been born yet and this would make it impossible for Tobi to give Nagato the Rinnegan. Of course Obito could've lied to Konan, but I highly doubt it.

    >3. Rocks on rocks on rocks
    Issue: Anyone who saw the episode where Obito died also saw the blood splatter on the left side of his body. How could his eye have been saved? I've read a theory stating he activated Mangekyo Sharingan before he was about to die, then teleported the crushed half to the other dimension, but that seems a little farfetched.

    So there you have it, these are some of the issues I see in the 599 revelation. Perhaps using an analytical perspective is too much for Naruto, maybe it's not.

    Again, please feel free to post any other issues that need to be explained.

    Note: If you feel inclined to respond with,"Let Kishi tell his story." then go ahead, but you've wasted your time. Everyone is letting Kishi tell the story, none of the fans have ever effected a chapter's outcome.
     
         
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    Re: Things to be explained

    will they ever be explained kishi gave us the silent treatment today
     
         

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    Re: Things to be explained

    Obito doesn't have any motive to do what he's doing.
    How does Obito know Madara?
    How does Obito know about the SO6P?
    Why didn't Kisame say WTF when he saw "Obito's" face?
    How did Itachi not realize that Tobi was Obito?
    How did Obito/Kakashi get the mangekyou?
     
         
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    Re: Things to be explained

    Quote Originally Posted by PhazoN View Post
    Obito doesn't have any motive to do what he's doing.
    How does Obito know Madara?
    How does Obito know about the SO6P?
    Why didn't Kisame say WTF when he saw "Obito's" face?
    How did Itachi not realize that Tobi was Obito?
    All very good points.
     
         

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    Re: Things to be explained

    Quote Originally Posted by OrochimaruFan View Post
    Alright, so Tobi was Obito. This means that Kishi is either a very, very linear author when it comes to plot, or he still has an ace up his sleeve for the explanation. If it turns out that he is just an extremely linear author, then all the plot holes we've discussed prior to knowing his identity are just really plot holes that Kishi left in the story due to whatever excuse. I have a couple of things I'd like discuss. If I didn't cover any other issues with Obito being Tobi, please politely point out any issue that need to be explained.

    >1. Tobi vs Yondaime fight
    Issue: Size and skill. As of this moment, it makes no sense to me how Obito could have possibly went toe to toe with Minato and control the Kyubi at age 12-16. (I'm not sure what age he would've been, if you know please point it out.) I sort of suspected that there might have been two masked men during different times, and one of them fought Minato but I retraced my steps and found out the problem. Tobi used Kamui to fight Minato. As far as we know, Kakashi and Obito only have Kamui.

    >2. Obito and Nagato
    Issue: Age. I always believed that Nagato, Karin, and Yahiko were all older than Minato. The reason why I believed this was because I was under the impression that Jiraiya was Nagato's sensei before he was Minato's. If this is true, then Obito wouldn't have been born yet and this would make it impossible for Tobi to give Nagato the Rinnegan. Of course Obito could've lied to Konan, but I highly doubt it.

    >3. Rocks on rocks on rocks
    Issue: Anyone who saw the episode where Obito died also saw the blood splatter on the left side of his body. How could his eye have been saved? I've read a theory stating he activated Mangekyo Sharingan before he was about to die, then teleported the crushed half to the other dimension, but that seems a little farfetched.

    So there you have it, these are some of the issues I see in the 599 revelation. Perhaps using an analytical perspective is too much for Naruto, maybe it's not.

    Again, please feel free to post any other issues that need to be explained.

    Note: If you feel inclined to respond with,"Let Kishi tell his story." then go ahead, but you've wasted your time. Everyone is letting Kishi tell the story, none of the fans have ever effected a chapter's outcome.
    Lot of answers unclear n u forgot about him knowing about itachi, something isnt right but chapter 600 should clear it up.
     
         

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    Re: Things to be explained

    Quote Originally Posted by OrochimaruFan View Post
    >1. Tobi vs Yondaime fight
    Issue: Size and skill. As of this moment, it makes no sense to me how Obito could have possibly went toe to toe with Minato and control the Kyubi at age 12-16. (I'm not sure what age he would've been, if you know please point it out.) I sort of suspected that there might have been two masked men during different times, and one of them fought Minato but I retraced my steps and found out the problem. Tobi used Kamui to fight Minato. As far as we know, Kakashi and Obito only have Kamui.
    Tobi got beat down in that fight and had to flee. He underestimated his old teacher just because he had MS. I would say he hand't had it very long at the time and simply thought too highly of himself. In recent fights he's all defense and logical, but then he seemed younger and on edge to attack and even 'prove' he could win.


    >2. Obito and Nagato
    Issue: Age. I always believed that Nagato, Karin, and Yahiko were all older than Minato. The reason why I believed this was because I was under the impression that Jiraiya was Nagato's sensei before he was Minato's. If this is true, then Obito wouldn't have been born yet and this would make it impossible for Tobi to give Nagato the Rinnegan. Of course Obito could've lied to Konan, but I highly doubt it.
    Different Tobi or Naruto is about to open a can of worms with time travel.

    >3. Rocks on rocks on rocks
    Issue: Anyone who saw the episode where Obito died also saw the blood splatter on the left side of his body. How could his eye have been saved? I've read a theory stating he activated Mangekyo Sharingan before he was about to die, then teleported the crushed half to the other dimension, but that seems a little farfetched.
    Best explanation was another Tobi and Zetsu saving him and possible even making a clone to leave there in the ruble.
     
         

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    Re: Things to be explained

    The way I see it, Tobi has to be more than one person, or someone's controlling Obito's body.
     
         

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    Re: Things to be explained

    Still, the facts are that it simply does not add up in all this things that tobi did. Since when did an every day shangiagn user could have activated Mangekyo Sharingan and teleport half in his body that fast?!?!?! he just got that sharigan and used it like once... then died shortly. Don't know much 13 year old shangian users who activated their mangekyo sharingan that fast..... itachi is the only one that I know (mastered his sharigan at age 8), and im prety sure that obito is no itachi...... Here is just what I found out in the naruto wiki on obito's profile under becoming tobi. He thought he died, but lived. Obito's actions over the following years are largely unknown, bascily the missing part in proboly telling us why he turned evil, becuase after it says over the follwing years are largely unknown, obito seemed to learn about madura and grasped his ideals, so yes, he did take the name for the fear it brings. Although Madara is believed to have died shortly after the founding of Konoha - an event that took place decades before Obito's birth - he is aware of Obito and his goals.[3][4][5] The nature of their relationship is unclear. Madura is amazing ..... makes me think how Hashirama was as an ninja.... On number 2 there, Obito operated in secret, only using Madara's name during his private meetings with Nagato, the figurehead he uses to lead the criminal-organization, Akatsuki. Although Nagato believes that Obito really is Madara, the actual Madara also has some knowledge of Nagato's existence and abilities. Likewise, Obito has claimed that he encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki and that he "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato.[6] Both events occurred before Obito's supposed death, further complicating the truth of Obito's history. Kiski has a lot of cleaning up to do.....
     
         

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