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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by smokasushibushi View Post
    Madara (591) says "As long as you know the seal, you can release Edo Tensei's summoning contract itself. There's nothing more troublesome than doing that an undying body....unlimited chakra...it cannot be controlled."

    Doesn't this sound like a description of Tobi? As in, this has happened before, someone (Tobi) knew the seals of ET and released himself (whoever that was).

    Tobi has an undying body. He seems to have unlimited chakra. He can't be controlled.

    Tobirama and Orochimaru are the two possible candidates for 'carelessly using a forbidden jutsu' ET. Who (who Tobi is/was) they resurrected is still in the dark, but a flashback of Orochimaru bringing back 'Tobi' combining the 1sts cells with his and losing control of him as he released ET would explain a lot. Like how he can take a Rasengen in the back by Minato or survive the paper bombs of Konan or detach his infected arm and replace it vs Danzo's henchmen.

    Combine this with 'They were my eyes to begin with' one could say that Izuna's eyes were given to Madara who obtained the Rinnegan, thus using Izuna's eyes for EMS and eventually Rinnegan. It would be true that those eyes, somehow implanted in Nagato, would have been Tobi/Izuna's eyes to begin with.

    Just some thoughts. Not saying its proof. Speculation involved.
    Interesting. That's a completely valid idea. The speculation in the beginning is a slight jump but the rest is very solid and I think this could actually happen. This is more likely than the Elder Son theory anyway. + rep
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Zudoarichikito View Post
    I Agree. Evidence has long said Tobi CANT be Obito. I also will loose respect for kishi if thats the direction he takes. Also to be honest. I want Tobi to win. I hate the fact that all of these GIGA powerful ninja keep loosing to a stupid worthless non-intelligent naruto. He knows ONLY 2 jutsu!!! And has different forms of the rasengan. THATS IT!!! Vs Tobi who is already a genius + has who knows how much experience. Punk Naruto is nothing like his dad who fought Tobi ON HIS OWN like a real man. Kakashi and Guy lost my respect they should have long sence stood back and let naruto face his own darn battles. Im NOT a fan of 3 on 1. Man up Naruto! Cloud from Final Fantasy should be A role model. He Faced Sephiroth ALONE!!! If Naruto fought Pain by his self... he should be offended by a weak kakashi and Guy DARE stepping foot in his battles. Naruto needs Raikages heart, and kakashi's knowledge of jutsu.... until then he isnt worthy of my respect.
    They may be weak, but they are strong. You contradict yourself here. You criticize naruto's power and intelligence and call him worthless, and then you say that he should be fighting this on his own. Naruto is not completely unintelligent anymore. But still he lacks the amount of intelligence that kakashi has, and as of now this has been a battle of strategy, something that Naruto lacks. You say that naruto should be offended that kakashi is on the battle field, and right after that you say he needs Kakashi's intelligence. Well he does not have that right now, so obviously he is going to need kakashi's help on the battle field. And also Naruto isn't that pretentious. Naruto's heart, well I don't know what manga your reading, but he has more heart than anybody else. In FF VII, Cloudcan fight Sephiroth alone because he is powerful enough to do it. In Naruto's case, due to Tobi's S/T ninjutsu, no matter how strong Naruto's attacks were he could literally do nothing. And onto of that, without the assistance of Guy and Kakashi, he would lose instantly just by being touched. Cloud didn't have that problem with sephiroth, so these 2 examples are estranged from each other. And what do you mean Giga powerful? What power? He has a large amount of chakra, if you want to count the rinnegan go ahead but since he refuses to use it I don't count it, and he has S/T ninjutsu. His space time ninjutsu is passive, he has control of powerful things, but thus far he has used 2 jutsu: Uchiha Kaenjin, and Earth Style: Hide Like a Mole Jutsu. Dead serious, that's all he's done. I see no way that Uchiha Kaenjin can be used offensively, so basically thus far the only offensive thing that Tobi can do is the touching thing. It is very effective, I will give you that. There is ZERO power involved. None. He might have power, he might use it eventually, but i hate people who have the nerve to say now that he is the most powerful guy ever when all he does is lets things pass through him and then touches the opponent. As of right now, it is just speculation and hype, 2 things which i a factual argument I hate.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by squigles View Post
    Pretty sure I never said what you quoted.
    I said it in a reply to what you said, but for some reason it said it was written by you.
     
         

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    you should copy-write your posts
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    How many more years to finish this manga , sighh
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Good chapter the fight is awesome lots of thought is going into this battle. But I need to see more of the Sasuke story unfold it's the most interesting story in the manga by far at the moment.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright View Post
    WTF Is Uchiha Kaenjin? Name of that attack or Tobi? >___<
    Thank you I glade someone asked that's been puzzling the shit shit out of me:confused:
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    when tobi met with itachi before the uchiha massacre, his exact words were "you probably know that im an uchiha, and i hold a grudge towards the clan and the village." (chapter 590) i highly doubt that tobi is izuna...why would izuna hold a grudge against the uchiha clan? he volunteered on giving his eyes to madara to protect the uchiha clan
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Man, good chapter just made me love Kakashi just a little bit more. Though it does make me wonder if every time Tobi travels dimensions does he sees Deidara's arm or some of the other stuff that Kakashi sent to that other dimension? It's obvious that the place Kakashi warps his stuff to is the same as the place Tobi warps himself and Sasuke to. So did Sasuke trip over Deidara arm or a bomb or something while he was there?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by robert31393 View Post
    when tobi met with itachi before the uchiha massacre, his exact words were "you probably know that im an uchiha, and i hold a grudge towards the clan and the village." (chapter 590) i highly doubt that tobi is izuna...why would izuna hold a grudge against the uchiha clan? he volunteered on giving his eyes to madara to protect the uchiha clan
    Madara was cast out by his own people. Izuna's loyalties could have lain with his brother, rather than his clan or village. Madara became an avenger and attacked Hashirama in a final battle at VoTE.

    Edo-Madara said Izuna was dead. But, he is dead (Madara) yet he exists as an Edo Tensei. As could Izuna. Dead, but a version of him lives on as a released ET-Izuna.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    That's like a dream ... but the chapter ends too soon
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Kitsune View Post
    ok ... dark kitsune phoning in... if the sage of six paths is dead, you know, the elder sons "DADDY" is dead, then what makes you think that the elder son is alive, and what makes you think that kishi would pull out the ancient card?
    really?
    thats my problem with you overreacting fans, you blab about the first thing that pops into your puny brains, not thinking it through, and getting all these hate respones and wonder why? then you cry into your plush hinata doll, nuzzle into her breasts, then masturbate using your tears as lube. STOP AND THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE FOR THE LOVE OF THE F$%^ING GODS, AND STATE SOME EVIDENCE A$$&0%%E!!!!!!!!!!!:sy:
    f****ing funny as hell. LOL
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Hatake 187 View Post
    Thank you I glade someone asked that's been puzzling the shit shit out of me:confused:
    There was a debate about this a little further back in the thread. I'm fairly certain that "Uchiha Kaenjin" is the name of the jutsu. The way he said it, coupled with the fact that the fire barrier appeared right after, lends to the credibility of it being a jutsu. Besides, I highly doubt that Tobi would have said his own name with his mask still on.

    And, on a side note, what is with all of the "Tobi is Obito" posts? I don't think Kishi would troll us like that (then again I could be wrong). I've been seeing a lot of people mention the Minato vs. Tobi encounter while making an argument for or against Tobi being Obito. I would just like to point out three things. Firstly, Obito was only 13 when he was crushed by boulders. Not only was his right side crushed under the initial avalanche of falling rock, but the rest of his body was buried during a second cave-in. Kakashi and Rin saw this take place.

    Secondly, Tobi's age is all wrong if he were to be Obito. Going on the fact that Kakashi and Obito were about the same age when Obito died, and by calculating how old Kakashi was when we were first introduced to him in Part 1, we can assume that Tobi's attack on Konoha with the Nine-tails happened a short time after Obito died (probably not long after the Third Ninja World War ended). Kakashi and Obito were both 13 when Obito was killed and Kakashi was 26 in Part 1 of the manga, meaning he would have still been 13 (possibly nearing 14) at the time of the attack on Konoha. Obito would not have been able to grow up that much in such a short period of time. If you look at pictures you can clearly see that 1) Obito is shorter than Minato and 2) Tobi and Minato are around the same height. So both the age and height difference are something to consider.

    Thirdly, Obito loved Konoha. Why would he suddenly want to destroy it? It would be a complete 180 degree turn around of his personality.

    Sorry for the long post. I just felt like I needed to point all that out. It's probably already been mentioned though. Still can't blame me for trying. lol I simply can't see how Tobi could be Obito with the amount of evidence.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    uchia kaenjin.... seems to be another variation of the jutsu tobi used to make chains that strangled the five tails..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    ... i have a feeling its Danzo and Oro's fault why tobi is the Villain....... just a feeling
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Good chapter, will be a good anime. I do wonder tho when Minato hit him with rasengan his arm disfigured with possibly zetsu guu. Yet narutos didnt. Just general wondering? can someone maybe explain.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Good chapter, will be a good anime. I do wonder tho when Minato hit him with rasengan his arm disfigured with possibly zetsu guu. Yet narutos didnt do too much. Just generaly wondering? can someone maybe explain.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Hidan is still alive

    Kakazu said that Hidan is still alive. Do you think that he might play a bigger role now that everybody has forgotten him? His power really isnt all that but he is imortal... I dont think that kishi would bring Hidan up out of no where if he wasnt going to appear again somewhere down the line. Besides, his defeat was open-ended. Meaning there was a chance he wasnt dead. Any theories guys??? :shrug:
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by robert31393 View Post
    when tobi met with itachi before the uchiha massacre, his exact words were "you probably know that im an uchiha, and i hold a grudge towards the clan and the village." (chapter 590) i highly doubt that tobi is izuna...why would izuna hold a grudge against the uchiha clan? he volunteered on giving his eyes to madara to protect the uchiha clan
    During Izunas time the uchiha and senju were at war. It's possible he developed a grudge towards the clan when he learned of the joining of the clans to create kohona and that his brother who he gave his eyes to was essentially exiled from the clan and village he helped create
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

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    How many more years to finish this manga , sighh
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

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    Hidan is still alive

    Kakazu said that Hidan is still alive. Do you think that he might play a bigger role now that everybody has forgotten him? His power really isnt all that but he is imortal... I dont think that kishi would bring Hidan up out of no where if he wasnt going to appear again somewhere down the line. Besides, his defeat was open-ended. Meaning there was a chance he wasnt dead. Any theories guys??? :shrug:
    Hidan isnt dead but his body and head are seperated and buried in the nara clans forest so he wont make an appearance unless shikamaru needs imformation from him or someone finds out where hidan is both imo very unlikely
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Still waiting till we get back to Orochimaru and co...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    After reading about 20 pages of comments, predictions, and down right fanboyism every time a manga discussion page is created, I feel the need to express my own opinion just this once and agree/disagree with some of the people on here.

    Here goes... 1) I don't think a talented writer like Kishimoto would make Tobi's name/identity be as obvious and simple as an anagram for Obito. He's surprised us (his readers/fans) time and time again with Naruto characters' past, identities, and historical information, so it makes no sense for a man who's planned a complex, multi-generational story arc just to make Tobi's identity so predictable that a 7 year old can figure it out. I agree with some people here that Kishimoto is deliberately luring fans to think that Tobi is Obito, so he can have the last laugh when he reveals Tobi's true identity. Whatever his name comes out to be, I believe what comes after, is a little background on what his motives/reasons are (whatever they may really be) for plunging the world into war.

    2) As far as Tobi being Obito goes, how is it that a boy who can't even keep up, let alone surpass Kakashi, be able to go toe to toe with the 4th Hokage (his sensei), become resurrected for an unknown reason, be two different ages at the time Tobi and Minato duel, and supposedly have a change of heart, personality, voice inflection and tone, and effectiveness in battle? I won't debunk predictions that Tobi could be Obito's dad, Izuna, or some other Uchiha, because the way the plot is going, Tobi could be anyone, except Obito, at this point. Tobi being past or future Obito is highly improbable in my opinion. Anyone else who still think Tobi has got to be Obito is being fooled by Kishimoto.

    Anyways, that's my opinion and anyone can agree or disagree with it. I'm one of those readers that stick to the facts that Kishimoto have given us. No more, no less. Cheers.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by sephitachi View Post
    Man, good chapter just made me love Kakashi just a little bit more. Though it does make me wonder if every time Tobi travels dimensions does he sees Deidara's arm or some of the other stuff that Kakashi sent to that other dimension? It's obvious that the place Kakashi warps his stuff to is the same as the place Tobi warps himself and Sasuke to. So did Sasuke trip over Deidara arm or a bomb or something while he was there?
    Hehe, I've thought of this myself. If they truly do share the same dimensional power and dimensional space, where are the things Kakashi have transported with his Kamui for all the times he's used it? -- Another mystery that Kishimoto has yet to clarify or elaborate on.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 596 Discussion and 597 Predictions

    I am a little confused about something related to this chapter! because if any one noticed during the Pain invasion of the leaf arc kakashi used the kamui to save choji as well as himself! did those items he sent flying to the other dimension also hit tobi even though he was no where near the leaf at the time?
     
         

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