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    Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Pain is immune to genjutsu. Nagato is not, but his Paths are.

    Genjutsu is a technique that manipulates the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

    Nagato used chakra receivers to reanimate deceased corpses.


    So how exactly was ANY genjutsu working on his Paths(dead people)?


    (And please omit the MEP from any answer because Nagato would get caught in that one and he's not the discussion. The 6 Paths are the main topic).
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Edit; What saaaaaaaaaadpanda said
     
         
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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Hmm, you kinda have a point..I guess. :confused:
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Clearly Pain is not immune to genjutsu, given Jiraiya's frog song. That being said, they are susceptible to genjutsu because they are reanimated bodies. They aren't dead.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by saaaaaadpanda View Post
    Clearly Pain is not immune to genjutsu, given Jiraiya's frog song. That being said, they are susceptible to genjutsu because they are reanimated bodies. They aren't dead.
    This is what I was thinking. You had a good thought though
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    even if the pain are immune
    Nagato is not, when Genjutsu is cast on them, it hits nagato
    if nagato is in genjutsu, so is Pain
    so pain is not immune to genjutsu
    thread over xD
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by saaaaaadpanda View Post
    Clearly Pain is not immune to genjutsu, given Jiraiya's frog song. That being said, they are susceptible to genjutsu because they are reanimated bodies. They aren't dead.
    By "reanimated bodies", I mean the bodies are riddled with chakra rods that Nagato is controlling in order to allow them mobility. The body's brain is still dead.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Ok so the point of this is to explain y i think shared vision doesnt = 6 paths under genjutsu

    As most of us kno genjutsu works by inserting your chakra into your
    opponents brain area of chakra network makein them feel/see what u want

    Now lots of people think Tsukuyomi 1 pain all fall but the paths only share vision not chakra and its the chakra affecting your chakra network thats creates the genjutsu

    My reasonin as to y paths dont share chakra is preta path
    It sucked up narutos sage chakra yet it was the only 1 to turn to stone

    This also brings to light the fact that chakra absorbed by preta path benefit only that path if that wasnt the case nagato would have had more chakra from what preta path got from village

    On a side note
    plz people nagato isnt weak to genjutsu ..the toads said j man
    was never good at genjutsu so pain wouldnt see it comeing
    And when he was caught he praised j man sayin i never thought u
    would have such a poweful genjutsu so ya genjutsu is every1s weakness
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Immune is totally the wrong word. They can be caught, though the can very effectively escape practically all genjutsu we have seen thus far.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by kaka96 View Post
    even if the pain are immune
    Nagato is not, when Genjutsu is cast on them, it hits nagato
    if nagato is in genjutsu, so is Pain
    so pain is not immune to genjutsu
    thread over xD
    Genjutsu manipulates chakra in the brain. The chakra in each Path has no hardline to Nagato's brain, thus having no logical reason why genjutsu cast on a Path would travel THROUGH the air and all the way to Nagato.

    Thread on.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by iShodaime View Post
    Immune is totally the wrong word. They can be caught, though the can very effectively escape practically all genjutsu we have seen thus far.
    My question is though: How can you manipulate the chakra in a dead brain?
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevjb12321 View Post
    By "reanimated bodies", I mean the bodies are riddled with chakra rods that Nagato is controlling in order to allow them mobility. The body's brain is still dead.
    The chakra rods are just for control and are a means of having the six paths. The Paths are all reanimated corpses. If they were dead and relied only on the rods, then killing them (as Naruto did) wouldn't do anything. Also, they wouldn't be revived by the King of Hell. Think about it.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevjb12321 View Post
    Genjutsu manipulates chakra in the brain. The chakra in each Path has no hardline to Nagato's brain, thus having no logical reason why genjutsu cast on a Path would travel THROUGH the air and all the way to Nagato.

    Thread on.
    Because it freaking did in Pain vs J-man

    Thread over
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    The pains were caught by jiraya in genjustsu. The pains are not immune to genjutsu...far from it.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevjb12321 View Post
    My question is though: How can you manipulate the chakra in a dead brain?
    Yes, it can be manipulated, considering Pain was initially trapped in Jiraiya's Frog Song (i'm only talking about audio based genjutsu here, visual wouldn't work for totally different reasons I say). What i'm saying is, Nagato, who will remain unaffected (He wasn't left drooling by Frog Song), can very easily break the Paths out of such illusions by disrupting the chakra flowing through his rods. The paths cannot be 'immune' to genjutsu if they are able to be caught in the first place.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by kaka96 View Post
    Because it freaking did in Pain vs J-man

    Thread over
    U sayin j man got nagato in genjutsu through his paths?
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by iShodaime View Post
    Yes, it can be manipulated, considering Pain was initially trapped in Jiraiya's Frog Song (i'm only talking about audio based genjutsu here, visual wouldn't work for totally different reasons I say). What i'm saying is, Nagato, who will remain unaffected (He wasn't left drooling by Frog Song), can very easily break the Paths out of such illusions by disrupting the chakra flowing through his rods. The paths cannot be 'immune' to genjutsu if they are able to be caught in the first place.
    Fair enough. I give. lol

    So we're establishing that Nagato can virtually *reactivate*(for lack of a better term) a dead corpse? Along with blood/chakra flow and brain activity as well?
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by Capn FlapJak View Post
    U sayin j man got nagato in genjutsu through his paths?
    Well either that either the path themselves we in genjutsu, one war or the other, genjutsu works on them
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevjb12321 View Post
    Pain is immune to genjutsu. Nagato is not, but his Paths are.

    Genjutsu is a technique that manipulates the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

    Nagato used chakra receivers to reanimate deceased corpses.


    So how exactly was ANY genjutsu working on his Paths(dead people)?


    (And please omit the MEP from any answer because Nagato would get caught in that one and he's not the discussion. The 6 Paths are the main topic).
    I thought rinnegan was immune to genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by kaka96 View Post
    Well either that either the path themselves we in genjutsu, one war or the other, genjutsu works on them
    I'm tryin to find logical reasoning for this as opposed to just accepting it because "it happened once, so it's true and that's that".
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by trevjb12321 View Post
    I'm tryin to find logical reasoning for this as opposed to just accepting it because "it happened once, so it's true and that's that".
    This is just like in maths
    a single counter example breaks a rule
     
         

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    Re: Pain wins the immunity challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by kaka96 View Post
    even if the pain are immune
    Nagato is not, when Genjutsu is cast on them, it hits nagato
    if nagato is in genjutsu, so is Pain
    so pain is not immune to genjutsu
    thread over xD
    this^
     
         

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