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    Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

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    Link:-The Prophecy - The Destined child that Justu? - Naruto & Bleach Central Forums


    That Justu is The Four Sagely Paths

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    First read this

    now this

    and this


    aCCORDING TO PROPHECY WE HAVE TWO STUDENTS who will determine the fate of the entire ninja world

    The first

    Is naruto the one who will bring peace through love the one prophesied saying will a bring revolution to the ninja world a peace where one can understand each other





    The second

    Is Pain who will peace through pain which will cause utter ruin to the ninja world will escalate it into endless wars and suffering in the name of peace. The one prophesied by saying will bring utter ruin. This man is pain









    Pain is the key to unravel the mystery of THAT JUSTU

    About Pain is the posseser of 6 reallms of pain








    That Justu naruto will Complete is the 4 Nobler reallms

    Four Higher Realms (Also called Four Noble Realms)
    In traditional Mahayana Buddhist cosmology, the four higher realms are four of the ten spiritual realms.

    The four higher worlds are characterized by the belief that humans need to make an effort to reveal themselves from within their lives.

    Learning
    Learning is a condition in which one seeks some skill, lasting truth or self-improvement through the teachings of others. To access this realm, the experiencer must first develop the desire to gain wisdom and insight into the true nature of all things, free from delusion. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through external sources, e.g. other people and pre-recorded information (usually texts).

    This condition is comparable to the state of the Śrāvakabuddha.

    Realization (or Absorption)
    Realization is a state in which one discovers a partial truth through one's own observations, efforts and concentration. Usually to access this realm the experiencer must first have decided external sources are inferior to internal sources, eg his/her own mind. This realm is characterized by the seeking of truth and wisdom through direct internal perception.

    This condition is comparable to the state of the Pratyekabuddha.

    The two above realms are collectively known as 'the two vehicles'. Even though these realms are based upon the desire to increase wisdom and insight, ego is still present, as these desire are primarily self-orientated.

    Bodhisattvahood
    Bodhisattvahood is a condition in which one not only aspires for personal enlightenment but also devotes oneself to relieving the sufferings of others through compassionate and truly altruistic actions, e.g. helping others. This realm is characterized by the feeling that happiness achieved through the benefit of others is superior to happiness achieved through the benefit of only the self.

    This condition is that of a Bodhisattva.

    Buddhahood
    Buddhahood is the highest of the Ten Worlds, a condition of pure, indestructible happiness which is not dependent on one's circumstances. The experiencer is totally free from all delusion, suffering and anger. It is a condition of perfect and absolute freedom, characterized by boundless wisdom, courage, compassion and life force. This realm is difficult to describe and is generally only obtained through the direct internal perception of the realm of realization. This realm is characterized by not being shifted into lower realms due to external sources, and the non-reliance on external sources for happiness. This realm is manifested outwardly through the actions of the realm of bodhisattvahood.

    This condition is that of a fully enlightened Buddha.

    That Justu is The Will of Fire Techinique( The 4 Nobler Reallms)

    This Justu will be a 4 soul releasing techinue of the senju gods( the 4 hokages) as you know they are worshipped in konoha as the senju. This technique will allow naruto to be enlightened by knowledge of the hokages into realisng these reallms which will allow him greater justu variety and knowledge and so on . And it will allow him to have the knowledge to fulfill his of the child who will bring peace to the through enlightment from the reallms. nARUTO IS JUST A VESSEL FOR THAT JUSTU THE JUSTU WILL NEED GREAT CHAKRA WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THE KYUBBI CHAKRA. THE JUSTU WILL LOOK LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS



    The last battle according to prophecy that will determine the fate of the world will be

    The 6 reallms of Pain vs the 4 Nobler pATHS( LAST VILLAIN NAGATO VS NARUTO)

    More info on the Justu i found out in bhuddism site that the 4 reallms are the four sagely paths



    7. Sravaka (Sound-Hearer Arhat)

    It is the first path of the Four Holy (or Sagely) Paths. An Arhat is one who has attained the renunciation of all desires and no attachment to anything. Thus he will be liberated from the reincarnation of the Six Paths as soon as his karmic causes are completely retributed. In this path, it is the joyful state of existence beyond the worldly birth and death because they are enlightened that the worldly phenomena are unreal and impermanent. Sravaka is enlightened while they listen to the Four Noble Truths. Therefore, it is also known as Sound-Hearer Arhat.

    9. Bodhisattva

    Bodhisattva is an enlightened being. However, he has the affection to other sentient beings. With his Four Immeasurable Minds, he practises the Six Paramitas to cross over the sentient beings from suffering. What Bodhisattvas do is to enlighten themselves, and enlighten others, benefit themselves and benefit others. They cross over the sentient beings in pursuit of attainment of Buddhahood. All these relationships are mutual and interdependent.

    The Four Immeasurable (Unlimited) Minds of Bodhisattva are:



    1. Kindness
    2. Compassion
    3. Delight
    4. Renunciation

    Paramita: It means to cross over from this shore of births and deaths to the other shore which is the Nirvana.

    The Six Paramitas or means of so doings are
    (1) dana - charity/giving
    (2) sila - moral/conduct/taking precepts
    (3) ksanti - patience
    (4) virya - vigour/devotion/energy
    (5) dhyana - contemplation/meditation
    (6) prajna - wisdom.

    All Bodhisattvas do not take refuge in Nirvana. They commit themselves, by their great vows, to be reborn in any Dharma Realm to rescue the sentient beings


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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    sick theory dude sick theory
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus K View Post
    sick theory dude sick theory
    sick!!!!!!!!!!!explain why..................
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    So u havn't heard of the term sick being used like that?...well it's another way of kinda saying awesome i guess, and i agree this is a pretty sick theory...

    I've heard a theory involving the realms, Going by this theory could it mean it mean the manga is currently at one of the most crucial parts in the story? But i think nagato shouldn't be killed off just yet....it seems there is more for him to do ( SAy konan could hopefully sacrifice herself, so the big boys can play)
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    I don't mind sick being used for stating good theory, otherwise u should have reason to criticize any theory........
    Talking about konan sacrificing herself.........It can be possible, She is of no use......Her shield, Naruto tore it off...So it is not dat strong......
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    OMG !
    This is so awesome !
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Nicley done you put a lot of work and research into this!
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    I like the idea and it fits nicely with the Buddhist wheel of life etc..... However I can't see it being the same "that jutsu," that Jiraiya spoke to Naruto about before they went off to rescue Gaara.


    It is possible Naruto developing the technique and it explains the need for the kyuubi's chakra very nicely but I don't see why Jiraiya would have begun to have taught Naruto such a ridiculously powerful technique. It also more importantly seems weird that Jiraiya would have known about it if he didn't understand what Minato was planning by separating the kyuubi's chakra.



    Anyway I like the prediction and it's definitely a plausible way for Naruto to stand as the Destined child, but if anyone if going to educate him about it's Minato or the scroll itself.


    But still dats some research.............Keep up the great work................
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    awesome theory dude and i think its plosibel ^^
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    great theory... i think its possible but but i dont think it will happen... i think kishi may have naruto master the Four Noble Realms (four sage paths)...but i dont think it will result in him knowing the previous hokages jutsu and knowledge
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    and about that jutsu wasnt j man talking about the kyubbi power
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    WOW The Four Noble Realms, this theory is amazing. Naruto a vessel and the kyuubi to maintain it, I really hope it turns out like this. Would naruto be able to control Mokuton Wood Hijutsu after he has been "enlightened"?
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Quote Originally Posted by mulske View Post
    and about that jutsu wasnt j man talking about the kyubbi power
    While J-Man told naruto not to use that jutsu(in rescue gaara arc), I don't think it was about Kyubi.......However I think to perform this jutsu(The Four Sagely Paths), he will need tremendous chakra, dats where kyubi will play part....Talking about jutsus of first four hokages, I think dat toad key scroll, has evrything. Yamato can teach naruto wood jutsu(1st hokage). Kakashi is good water user(if he is alive)(2nd hokage). Gaara is good earth user(3rd's affinity was earth right(i think so) and fire). Jiraiya may have taught naruto something of 4th's jutsu during time-skip.
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    since Pein's secret is revialed, everyone can defeat him easely, he's useless)
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Quote Originally Posted by aVague View Post
    since Pein's secret is revialed, everyone can defeat him easely, he's useless)
    theory talks about that jutsu........pain is consider because oldest toad(prophet) talked about two people who will bring change to this world...
    though pain's secret is found out, he can't be defeated easily.....
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    theory talks about that jutsu........pain is consider because oldest toad(prophet) talked about two people who will bring change to this world...
    though pain's secret is found out, he can't be defeated easily.....
    and who he will fighting with?
    even Zetsu can kill him...
    Madara for sure
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    WOW great man! asome you did a good job one rep for ya (what do reps do anyways???)
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    Good theory but it fails because of this. There aren't two children just one:

    G Toad: So..who be this, then?

    M Toad: Jiraiya.
    M Toad: The Great Toad has had a dream about you.
    M Toad: You already know that that's a prophecy.
    M Toad: Listen well.

    Jiraiya: Yes sir!

    M Toad: Right then...
    M Toad: My dream had you becoming a brilliant shinobi, but quite the pervert.
    M Toad: And you will have yourself an apprentice...

    Jiraiya: Quite the pervert...
    Jiraiya: You didn't have any problems remembering *that* part...


    p.13
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    G Toad: That apprentice will bring a great change to the shinobi world.
    G Toad: I saw this in my dream.

    Jiraiya: Change?

    G Toad: He will bring either unprecedented peace...or unprecedented destruction to the world.
    G Toad: One of these.

    Jiraiya: One of them?
    Jiraiya: What do you mean?

    G Toad: You will guide the one to bring the change.
    G Toad: And there will come a time when you must make a great decision.

    Jiraiya: A decision?


    p.14
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    G Toad: That decision...
    G Toad: will decide which change comes to pass.

    Jiraiya: ...What...
    Jiraiya: What should I do?
    Jiraiya: How will I know what choice to make?

    G Toad: In my dream, you were wandering the world, writing books.

    Jiraiya: Books?
    Jiraiya: Why that?

    G Toad: I don't know meself.
    G Toad: You travel the world and maybe even see all nature everywhere.

    Jiraiya: Have your prophecies...
    Jiraiya: ever not come to pass?
    It's just a mistranslation which destroys the base assumption of this theory.
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    i dont know or care if this theory is correct or not at this point cause i enjoyed reading that. very nice

    i do hope some of these things do happen but im not overly enthusiastic about it.
    i like the idea about the 4 paths of naruto :D
    i hope they actually converse and get onto one page with each other and hopefully have some epic wallpaper worthy pics of them together like ready to square off but with a smile on thier face. and hopefully it doesnt take too long to get everything out of pein.

    nice work and let me know when you write something else like this :D
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    yes, it was a gud read...But that old toad sage said that there were two students of Jiraiya after nagato changed and died...
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    That is a pretty awesome theory. Well thought out, and I wish it would happen.

    Although I think the theory was written awhile ago, it sees pein as the final villain, when he isn't.
     
         

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    Re: Child of Prophecy and that jutsu...........

    In honesty, it makes no sense that Naruto would have had a jutsu that powerful, and not have used it yet, even against Pein.
    It would be as laughable if it came to be, as those random Sasuke power-ups.

    One of the best things we see with Naruto, is that we tend to experience his "training" with him.
    Though it does seem odd that in the two and a half years of training with Jiraiya, he only learned a bigger Rasengan and how to use his clones more effectively...

    But what about when fighting Deidara, to rescue Gaara's corpse?
    Against Itachi?
    Orochimaru?
    Why not use "that jutsu"? It doesn't make sense.

    The only conclusion I can make is that it was a translation error, and that Jiraiya was warning him not to go four tails...
     
         

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