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    Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    so, i don't know how to make a poll.... however, i just watched the first 25 episodes of Naruto again, and it got me to thinking--i think Shikamaru, as a 16 year old with enough experience to figure out Hidan's jutsu within a few minutes, could MURDER zabuza. well, any thoughts? this really isn't an argument, i'm just curious to see who thinks raw power would win vs raw Brain power...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza could lose against Shikamaru. But it won't be that easy to finish Zabuza. The main problem is that Shikamaru doesn't let himself get blitzed by Zabuza in the mist. I would go here in saying that Zabuza can lose because Shikamaru can find tricks to toy with Zabuza. Once he catches him in the Shadow Possession jutsu it's over.
     
         
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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Shikamaru with enough time to think could pretty much beat anybody.... that is of he can get enough time to come up with a plan
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillToWin View Post
    Zabuza could lose against Shikamaru. But it won't be that easy to finish Zabuza. The main problem is that Shikamaru doesn't let himself get blitzed by Zabuza in the mist. I would go here in saying that Zabuza can lose because Shikamaru can find tricks to toy with Zabuza. Once he catches in the Shadow Possession jutsu it's over.
    that's very true. but there are many other ways in which Shikamaru could win. the ONLY problem would be, that in a 1 on 1, i don't know if Shikamaru could see through the mist. however, he's smart enough to withdraw until he's outside the mist, and no matter what different scenarios i come up with, it's always Shikamaru winning. i want to see/hear people arguing how Zabuza would win...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Why do you people overate shikimaru? , He has no time to prepare, he will lose this.. He can't cast shadows properly in the mist, what's he going to do? die
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by NaruGoku View Post
    that's very true. but there are many other ways in which Shikamaru could win. the ONLY problem would be, that in a 1 on 1, i don't know if Shikamaru could see through the mist. however, he's smart enough to withdraw until he's outside the mist, and no matter what different scenarios i come up with, it's always Shikamaru winning. i want to see/hear people arguing how Zabuza would win...
    Shikamaru has won most of his fights, but he doesn't always win. He was almost going to lose against Tayuya. Anyways, Zabuza could use Water Style: Dragon Jutsu and strike him by surprise behind with his sword. He could also capture Shikamaru in the Water Prison jutsu and make him suffocate inside of it. Silent Killing could get Shikamaru by a quiet atmosphere. If Zabuza doesn't step in the ground too much. A straight assault of striking with his sword won't work that well, because his sword is not fast to strike an opponent, unless he throws it. He could also use his clones to make a diversion that will help Zabuza capture Shikamaru or suffocate Shikaru in the Water Prison. Overall, the mist jutsu and the water prison jutsu is the best way for him to kill Shikamaru. But i see Zabuza being captured before he can kill Shikamaru. :zonder:
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Why do you people overate shikimaru? , He has no time to prepare, he will lose this.. He can't cast shadows properly in the mist, what's he going to do? die
    ... well, u do raise the most important question. what WILL he do against the mist? well, there are several factors. ONE, is he alone? cuz if he's with his team, Choji could blow away the mist with his Meatball Tank or whatever it's called. if he's alone, it's like i said earlier, he'll jump away from the mist and get prepared for whatever is coming. as for having time... Shikamaru only needs like a minute to see through Zabuza's jutsu... becuz it's really not complicated...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post
    Why do you people overate shikimaru? , He has no time to prepare, he will lose this.. He can't cast shadows properly in the mist, what's he going to do? die
    That is true, but Shikamaru is not going to stay there. You know that he always moves to where his shadow is more visible. :zonder:
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza wins this imo
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by NaruGoku View Post
    ... well, u do raise the most important question. what WILL he do against the mist? well, there are several factors. ONE, is he alone? cuz if he's with his team, Choji could blow away the mist with his Meatball Tank or whatever it's called. if he's alone, it's like i said earlier, he'll jump away from the mist and get prepared for whatever is coming. as for having time... Shikamaru only needs like a minute to see through Zabuza's jutsu... becuz it's really not complicated...
    Dude, you can't add Choji to the match. You said, "Zabuza vs Shikamaru." Your right about the part of the mist. Shikamaru will know that the mist will interfere with his shadow jutsu. So he will move to other areas or escape.
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza wins this IMO.
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by NaruGoku View Post
    ... well, u do raise the most important question. what WILL he do against the mist? well, there are several factors. ONE, is he alone? cuz if he's with his team, Choji could blow away the mist with his Meatball Tank or whatever it's called. if he's alone, it's like i said earlier, he'll jump away from the mist and get prepared for whatever is coming. as for having time... Shikamaru only needs like a minute to see through Zabuza's jutsu... becuz it's really not complicated...

    Well it depends, is he alone?


    Shikimaru isn't at the level to solo any jonin or higher level ninja....despite his intelligence, it's why he's a chunnin... He's not a 1v1 person... In a team he's incredibly valuable.. .Thank god hidan was retarded

    That is true, but Shikamaru is not going to stay there. You know that he always moves to where his shadow is more visible.
    Lmao , like zabuza is going to let him escape the mist


    in there it's his ball game, and you can't see where he is
     
         
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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    for real though... i don't know if people don't get that i'm talking about Shippuuden Shikamaru or what, but i can NOT see him losing this fight... if u can, please tell me why...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owarij View Post

    Well it depends, is he alone?


    Shikimaru isn't at the level to solo any jonin or higher level ninja....despite his intelligence, it's why he's a chunnin... He's not a 1v1 person... In a team he's incredibly valuable.. .Thank god hidan was retarded
    He has beaten opponents 1v1. I don't know where you get your info. The match that he literally lost was to Tayuya.
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    Well it depends, is he alone?


    Shikimaru isn't at the level to solo any jonin or higher level ninja....despite his intelligence, it's why he's a chunnin... He's not a 1v1 person... In a team he's incredibly valuable.. .Thank god hidan was retarded
    i truly apologize for the double post, but here's your answer. I do believe he could solo many Jounin's, and u say he's a Chuunin but in the beginning of Shippuuden Temari tells him "why don't you become a Jounin already, you'd have no problem..."
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    i truly apologize for the double post, but here's your answer. I do believe he could solo many Jounin's, and u say he's a Chuunin but in the beginning of Shippuuden Temari tells him "why don't you become a Jounin already, you'd have no problem..."
    , he said Sakura can become better at rasengan than Naruto!
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    , he said Sakura can become better at rasengan than Naruto!
    what? who said Sakura could be better at it?
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    what? who said Sakura could be better at it?
    Owarij :mugi:
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    lol ok, but that doesn't count unless he gives me a good reason...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    well, Owaraji... we can go back and forth all day. on the real, i've been on the Base a while and have read many things u've posted... but Shikamaru would win this bro...
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza low diff shika has no way to counter zabuza physically and if shika cant see him he cant use his shadows to immobilize zabuza
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza win this with mid diff
    high diff is the max
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

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    well, Owaraji... we can go back and forth all day. on the real, i've been on the Base a while and have read many things u've posted... but Shikamaru would win this bro...

    there is nothing to argue.. Once hidden mst goes up, he has No ninjutus than can work, he's not skilled in taijutus, And genjutsu would be noneffective in the mist


    Part 2 shikimaru stats - 2.5- speed

    2-taijutus

    he's going to get fodderized by zabuza.. .don't kid yourself.. his speed is ridiculously slow... Part 1 slow....Genin in part 1 had better speed..

    His only canon technique which he can use for combat will not work in the mist
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Zabuza Rapes, Low Diff.

    Hiden Mist + Silent killing, Shikamaru doesn't stand a chance.
     
         

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    Re: Zabuza vs Shikamaru (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos of cruxis View Post
    Zabuza low diff shika has no way to counter zabuza physically and if shika cant see him he cant use his shadows to immobilize zabuza
    u're missing a piece of the fight though... in the mist, Shikamaru can't see shit, but if he jumps out of the range--which he would do--he has the advantage...
     
         

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