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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    uh oh.... ish just got real...
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    i'll admit it to you all, i am actually Masashi Kishimoto,its a shock i know, but its true and all of my theorys that i have posted im really going to write it in the manga,im so happy i have so many fans and ilove you all,except those who have flamed me.
     
         
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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by nagato2 View Post
    i'll admit it to you all, i am actually Masashi Kishimoto,its a shock i know, but its true and all of my theorys that i have posted im really going to write it in the manga,im so happy i have so many fans and ilove you all,except those who have flamed me.
    Yeaah you said that in your lame thread get a hold of yourself lol. You're not baby Jesus.
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    So...Madara's former self was in the 6th coffin?
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by nagato2 View Post
    i'll admit it to you all, i am actually Masashi Kishimoto,its a shock i know, but its true and all of my theorys that i have posted im really going to write it in the manga,im so happy i have so many fans and ilove you all,except those who have flamed me.
    there there, lets not get carried away. lolllllllllllllllllllllll i think this theory is wrong, rep -.
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoVsGoku View Post
    oh yea btw the part on Pain using the jutsu to ressurect whatever for Madara i dont think is plausible..

    that jutsu that Pain used, its evident that there had to be a time limit to when he could revive someone who died .... when trying to revive the ppl dead from the Pain Attack he worried that if there was enough time to revive all of them..

    but still good theory.. i thought this thread was gunna suck too
    ok
    1st- nagato was on his deathbed and almost out of chakra..... compare it to kakashi when he used his last bit of chakra (he could only warp a nail,where as when he's not low on chakra he could warp........let say a huge as fireball i.e dediera)

    2nd-he was in the village (in close proximity to ppl he killed/revived)

    j-man was across country and at the bottom of ocean

    it makes sense that the technique wasn't able to reach him

    the time he was refering to was whether or not he would die before he could finish the tech


    also i would like to add that i'm well aware this doesn't solve it as said a few times........but if i hadn't named thread as i did it would not have gotten the responses that i craved......trust me i'm not out for rep....couldn't care bout that in the least, but thnx anyway.........


    and even tho this doesn't solve it......its the best theory i have got or seen and technically the only person that can solve any of these theorys is kishi himself

    but again thnx for responses guys and gals
     
         
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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Great theory bro and yes, it is one of the better ones I've seen. There's only one thing still bothering me though. Kabuto told Madara that he CANNOT refuse him and not to worry that he hasn't told anyone about what he knows. Why is it that if he really is a shell of his former self would he be worried about his soul being summoned into an Edo body? I don't think that his Edo self would be stronger than he is currently with MS and Rinnegan. Just my opinion, but great theory, we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out!
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    Chapter 527 answered the questions


    you know what i liked about this chapter??

    it solves the madara/tobi mystery for me!!

    i never believed he was real madara until now......why, because the shell of his former self thing (i thought that there was no way for his mind and body to act without a soul)

    but thats obviously not the case as chap. 527 proved that cuz samui,atsui and darui were still concious.....

    so.....to me that means madara is tobi-tobi is madara

    and madara's soul is somehow trapped in the pure world....(some awesome 1st hokage sealing tech. or sumthin prob. the cause of this.......he danm sure wasn't beatin with wood no jutsu and is seen with huge scroll in his famous panel vs madara)

    this is why madara needed nagato to use gedo on him!!!!!

    and yes this also explains the 6th coffin.......if his soul is trapped in the pure world them kabuto would have the capability of summoning him......even tho he still existed........according to the rules of edo-tensai as we currently know them

    and since madara is only a shell of his former self and edo summons come back with powers fully in tact, the edo would technically be stronger.......but madara still has his own advantage as he knows his self better than anyone

    that would explain their reluctancy to fight one another and madara's reaction

    so to wrap it up.......

    madara is madara....tobi is madara

    and sixth coffin is madara
    I particularly like this theory due to its paradoxical solution to the questions of Madara and the 6th "unknown" coffin. Thus, it's very well composed and quite elegant really. Nonetheless, let's see if Kishimoto gives us something of the same caliber.
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    nice theory
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    So madara's real body is in the coffin.. hes using a different body with his soul in it right now. thats why he uses a mask.. because his body HAS! to be in the coffin for madara to tell right away that he needed it, but why would madara NEED his own body? orochimaru didnt... and kabuto didnt contain souls soo his soul couldnt be in there...
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by WoWvsNaruto View Post
    So madara's real body is in the coffin.. hes using a different body with his soul in it right now. thats why he uses a mask.. because his body HAS! to be in the coffin for madara to tell right away that he needed it, but why would madara NEED his own body? orochimaru didnt... and kabuto didnt contain souls soo his soul couldnt be in there...
    No i think its the otherway round...tobi is madara but without a soul. Kabuto summoned madara using madaras soul, edo tensei doesnt summon a particular body it places the soul of a dead person into another persons body. Right?

    Well anyway, I like this theory lol. But with the samui atsui and darui i dont think their souls were removed, just a portion was cut off?
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    ^ninjasheep knows better than most of you


    this thread shows just how confused you are of impure world resurrection jutsu. To the people that agreed to this theory, you don't really know how impure world resurrection jutsu works then you would not be agreeing. When the casket is summoned it will summon a "sleeping soul". just use logic here

    madara's real body is not on the casket, it's some other sacrificial body who is personifying the summoned "soul"

    You say that tobi/madara would be afraid for kabuto to summon his soul but wait a minute by summoning this casket, the casket already has a summoned "soul" within the living human vessel. Madara/tobi should have lost his "madara" soul since the ritual to summon a soul and use sacrificial body with it was already done long before. Madara/tobi would be without his madara "soul" long before kabuto met with madara. This isn't possible. This theory contradicts the jutsu Impure world resurrection. I don't know if I am making myself understand

    either tobi/madara has madara's soul or the coffin has madara's soul but it can't be both. And this theory works only when the body of madara is functioning and living like a champ and his soul is trapped in some other pure world. His soul would no longer be trapped in the pure world but in the living vessel of a human stored in a coffin. I find it hard to believe that tobi/madara would be the real madara body and I am pretty sure you would agree too so then madara's real body is petrified or something like that idk. I also really find it hard for a body to be alive without a soul. not even in naruto world.

    Just read from this link onward but read it carefully

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/520/14

    the ropes only binds the soul of the person and like in the fight with orochimaru and the third. The third only managed to cut his soul hands of orochimaru but he wasn't able to get all his soul. Orochimaru was still able to live. The sword only cut the part of the soul that would help the sword curse their soul. They still had their soul that's why they were still alive.


    facepalm -_-"
     
         
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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    Chapter 527 answered the questions


    you know what i liked about this chapter??

    it solves the madara/tobi mystery for me!!

    i never believed he was real madara until now......why, because the shell of his former self thing (i thought that there was no way for his mind and body to act without a soul)

    but thats obviously not the case as chap. 527 proved that cuz samui,atsui and darui were still concious.....

    so.....to me that means madara is tobi-tobi is madara

    and madara's soul is somehow trapped in the pure world....(some awesome 1st hokage sealing tech. or sumthin prob. the cause of this.......he danm sure wasn't beatin with wood no jutsu and is seen with huge scroll in his famous panel vs madara)

    this is why madara needed nagato to use gedo on him!!!!!

    and yes this also explains the 6th coffin.......if his soul is trapped in the pure world them kabuto would have the capability of summoning him......even tho he still existed........according to the rules of edo-tensai as we currently know them

    and since madara is only a shell of his former self and edo summons come back with powers fully in tact, the edo would technically be stronger.......but madara still has his own advantage as he knows his self better than anyone

    that would explain their reluctancy to fight one another and madara's reaction

    so to wrap it up.......

    madara is madara....tobi is madara

    and sixth coffin is madara
    you have a very good theory here!

    but before i go through my own details, i'd like you to personally answer the following questions:
    1. do you have a bit of suspicion who tobi is right now?...still "not being madara"?
    2. do you believe in what madara's deception could bring in as ideas in your exemplary theory? tobi-madara's mask? why wear it? tobi-madara's changeable personalities from then hereon this 527 chap?
    3. why show himself as madara to "kisame" only? and where is kisame?
    4. edo tensei's explanation of the pure world is still questionable. during harashima-madara fight, there was no edo tensei in place for the 1st or madara's disposal. i mean, madara could have been killed "physically" but his spiritual self was a success against the great harashima -- here i mean, he got harashima's dna in a "bodily defeat". did madara know such a forbidden jutsu?

    now going back to your 6th coffin theory...

    mine was 1. so6p and 2. madara
    ...and i repeat, so6p could be edo tensei "if and only if" kabuto got the access to the sage's tomb and got the opportunity to get dna samples from preserved bones.

    then...here is yours, madara could be edoed as well provided that madara died and kabuto accessed his dna.
    ---*an important observation would be...why would tobi-madara be rattled in the sight of an "edo-madara"? tobi-madara as a shell of his former self (my opinion) is still more powerful than an edo madara. this is so because, kabuto will be the one to control the summon. tobi-marara and edo-madara would probably engage in a talk no jutsu fight (lol) and eventually edo madara's soul be released again. should kabuto twitches edo madara's mind, tobi-madara would really easily dispose of an edo madara (look at zabuza and kakashi fight...)
    ---tobi-madara and edo madara would be "under a terrible space/time jutsu not known in the Naruto manga world" should they fight and create contact with themselves..."*no two identical identities would be able to exist at the same space at the same time*"(a basic scientific concept") - this was my premise why tobi-madara was hesitant to engage kabuto and was forced to ally with the serpent...even with the rinnegan-- i believe.

    harashima could contain a bijuu---this is assumed. if he could seal...remains a wait and see theory...probable assumption as well...
    if madara soul was sealed..say with an SF type of jutsu only the 1st had, i guess madara couldn't be summoned--right?

    tobi-madara's desire to get "the reincarnation jutsu" from nagato is still a query. we saw a nagato rinne tensei (and was explained) to be able to bring the dead back to life within "a limited time frame" -- after the death- only.
    tobi-madara would be referring to something else here...and one of kishi's cards and aces....

    lastly, 527 showed atsui and samui's still alive after their souls were pulled out, cut free and cursed. psyche power was still intact with them. but the chap showed they were already helpless. they were just babbling until their souls were sealed.

    your theory will be "magnified" should darui manage to pull this fight off after his soul was pulled out, cut free and cursed.

    it is an honor to be invited to this great thread!
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    not possible
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    Chapter 527 answered the questions


    you know what i liked about this chapter??

    it solves the madara/tobi mystery for me!!

    i never believed he was real madara until now......why, because the shell of his former self thing (i thought that there was no way for his mind and body to act without a soul)

    but thats obviously not the case as chap. 527 proved that cuz samui,atsui and darui were still concious.....

    so.....to me that means madara is tobi-tobi is madara

    and madara's soul is somehow trapped in the pure world....(some awesome 1st hokage sealing tech. or sumthin prob. the cause of this.......he danm sure wasn't beatin with wood no jutsu and is seen with huge scroll in his famous panel vs madara)

    this is why madara needed nagato to use gedo on him!!!!!

    and yes this also explains the 6th coffin.......if his soul is trapped in the pure world them kabuto would have the capability of summoning him......even tho he still existed........according to the rules of edo-tensai as we currently know them

    and since madara is only a shell of his former self and edo summons come back with powers fully in tact, the edo would technically be stronger.......but madara still has his own advantage as he knows his self better than anyone

    that would explain their reluctancy to fight one another and madara's reaction

    so to wrap it up.......

    madara is madara....tobi is madara

    and sixth coffin is madara
    That explains everything perfectly.
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    yoh!
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    I also had another thought and idea to add to the discussion. What if the 6th coffin is not anything related to madara directly. But it is actually the Sage of Six Paths. :S
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    nice theory. if it pans out u outta ask the website to give u something for making the best possible theory.
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Perhaps..........
     
         

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    people people you all be surprised ,and i will if this is right, which it wont be
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben642 View Post
    I also had another thought and idea to add to the discussion. What if the 6th coffin is not anything related to madara directly. But it is actually the Sage of Six Paths. :S
    This guy deserves a nobel prize How did you come up with your incredible theory? :D
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by jabznaruto View Post
    you have a very good theory here!

    but before i go through my own details, i'd like you to personally answer the following questions:
    1. do you have a bit of suspicion who tobi is right now?...still "not being madara"?
    2. do you believe in what madara's deception could bring in as ideas in your exemplary theory? tobi-madara's mask? why wear it? tobi-madara's changeable personalities from then hereon this 527 chap?
    3. why show himself as madara to "kisame" only? and where is kisame?
    4. edo tensei's explanation of the pure world is still questionable. during harashima-madara fight, there was no edo tensei in place for the 1st or madara's disposal. i mean, madara could have been killed "physically" but his spiritual self was a success against the great harashima -- here i mean, he got harashima's dna in a "bodily defeat". did madara know such a forbidden jutsu?

    now going back to your 6th coffin theory...

    mine was 1. so6p and 2. madara
    ...and i repeat, so6p could be edo tensei "if and only if" kabuto got the access to the sage's tomb and got the opportunity to get dna samples from preserved bones.

    then...here is yours, madara could be edoed as well provided that madara died and kabuto accessed his dna.
    ---*an important observation would be...why would tobi-madara be rattled in the sight of an "edo-madara"? tobi-madara as a shell of his former self (my opinion) is still more powerful than an edo madara. this is so because, kabuto will be the one to control the summon. tobi-marara and edo-madara would probably engage in a talk no jutsu fight (lol) and eventually edo madara's soul be released again. should kabuto twitches edo madara's mind, tobi-madara would really easily dispose of an edo madara (look at zabuza and kakashi fight...)
    ---tobi-madara and edo madara would be "under a terrible space/time jutsu not known in the Naruto manga world" should they fight and create contact with themselves..."*no two identical identities would be able to exist at the same space at the same time*"(a basic scientific concept") - this was my premise why tobi-madara was hesitant to engage kabuto and was forced to ally with the serpent...even with the rinnegan-- i believe.

    harashima could contain a bijuu---this is assumed. if he could seal...remains a wait and see theory...probable assumption as well...
    if madara soul was sealed..say with an SF type of jutsu only the 1st had, i guess madara couldn't be summoned--right?

    tobi-madara's desire to get "the reincarnation jutsu" from nagato is still a query. we saw a nagato rinne tensei (and was explained) to be able to bring the dead back to life within "a limited time frame" -- after the death- only.
    tobi-madara would be referring to something else here...and one of kishi's cards and aces....

    lastly, 527 showed atsui and samui's still alive after their souls were pulled out, cut free and cursed. psyche power was still intact with them. but the chap showed they were already helpless. they were just babbling until their souls were sealed.

    your theory will be "magnified" should darui manage to pull this fight off after his soul was pulled out, cut free and cursed.

    it is an honor to be invited to this great thread!
    ok sorry bout late response....but better late then never right?!

    1- no i'm sold on this one

    2- i think i am getting a better grasp of the truth hidden within his lies.....and well he was wearing it before to hide his identity.....and who knows he just be keeping it on from habbit or maybe cuz itachi trap is active indefinitly.....plus its kind of to his advantage to keep his foes guessing

    3- this ones hard to guess....... but i figure they bumped into one another during his time controlling the mizukage.....and well since it seems kisame is a fan of the blood mist ways i'm guessing they got along great.........kisame knew that his village leader was being controlled.. (samehada probably sensed him).. but he didn't care cuz he enjoyed his free license to kill that came with madara's orders.. and well since madara was keeping the other akatsuki in the dark he was acting as tobi.....and with itachi gone, kisame was probably going to bounce

    4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)

    thats why he needed nagato's tech./felt betrayed

    and why he was stunned at the sight of the 6th edo.......and didn't want to fight at the time (he probably felt he could win he had to.....as he knows himself better than anyone......however it wouldn't of been easy)

    think about it he didn't start getting too cheaky with kabuto until after he obtained rinnegan, at which time he regained the upper hand

    and in regards to darui and his soul.....well he doesn't have access to hajirama's dna.......that is what i believe has allowed madara to make it this far

    the only thing you brought up that stumped was the time issure with nagatos tech.......i dont recall there being a time limit......it seemed to me the time limit nagato spoke of, was his own.....could he finish the technique before he ran out of chakra and died?

    hope this helps clarify things.......and yes i know i hop back and forth over the fence quit ofter.......but imma chill on this side for a bit..

    peace out
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    ok sorry bout late response....but better late then never right?!

    1- no i'm sold on this one

    2- i think i am getting a better grasp of the truth hidden within his lies.....and well he was wearing it before to hide his identity.....and who knows he just be keeping it on from habbit or maybe cuz itachi trap is active indefinitly.....plus its kind of to his advantage to keep his foes guessing

    3- this ones hard to guess....... but i figure they bumped into one another during his time controlling the mizukage.....and well since it seems kisame is a fan of the blood mist ways i'm guessing they got along great.........kisame knew that his village leader was being controlled.. (samehada probably sensed him).. but he didn't care cuz he enjoyed his free license to kill that came with madara's orders.. and well since madara was keeping the other akatsuki in the dark he was acting as tobi.....and with itachi gone, kisame was probably going to bounce

    4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)

    thats why he needed nagato's tech./felt betrayed

    and why he was stunned at the sight of the 6th edo.......and didn't want to fight at the time (he probably felt he could win he had to.....as he knows himself better than anyone......however it wouldn't of been easy)

    think about it he didn't start getting too cheaky with kabuto until after he obtained rinnegan, at which time he regained the upper hand

    and in regards to darui and his soul.....well he doesn't have access to hajirama's dna.......that is what i believe has allowed madara to make it this far

    the only thing you brought up that stumped was the time issure with nagatos tech.......i dont recall there being a time limit......it seemed to me the time limit nagato spoke of, was his own.....could he finish the technique before he ran out of chakra and died?

    hope this helps clarify things.......and yes i know i hop back and forth over the fence quit ofter.......but imma chill on this side for a bit..

    peace out


    okay, seems you really have your tickets for this...
    you only have to seek what sealing tech was it that harashima used against madara.

    and re kisame, the guy was loyal. i believe madara was also studying kisame's water affinity. madara does not have it right dude?

    anyways...seems you gotta good theory here, hope you could get the conclusion soon...

    til next ssanimo..
     
         

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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)
    soooo.... you are saying that tobi/madara/masked man does not have madara's soul or anything and that he is just another person.

    You are also implying what this unknown masked man saw in the last coffin was madara's over 100 years old real body? idk if kabuto can even do this

    your idea of how edo tensei works is completely wrong

    You are saying that kabuto would perform this ritual of summoning soul right before madara's eye? Madara would have enough time to stop kabuto from completing his ritual

    this takes time and what madara/masked man/tobi would have saw in coffin wouldn't be anyone that would make him react the way he did. What was in the last coffin had to be someone who madara fears. He would have just saw a living sacrificial body if anything. Then kabuto would have his dna.

    Madara was stunned by what he saw in the coffin. What is in the last coffin is a person who personified the summoned soul. The soul is no longer in the pure world. The soul is inside the sacrificial living human which is why they take the shape of person who is being summoned because the soul is already inside them.

    You are saying that kabuto didn't summon the soul yet, but he did summon the soul or else the living sacrificial body wouldn't have taken the appearance of the summoned soul.

    I didn't see kabuto saying madara " ok madara, you see this living sacrificial human body in this last coffin? this will become you because I have your dna with me and I can take away the madara soul that resides inside the pure world and you will be in a lot of trouble. " He didn't say this. Madara was stunned by a coffin with a living human body already personifying the soul summoned.

    We are not talking about summoning bodies. Edo tensei doesn't work like this. We are talking about souls here.

    The correct question would be...

    what soul did kabuto summon in the last coffin? or whose soul did kabuto summon in the last coffin?


    this theory fails because of edo tensei and the fact that living humans can not live without their soul.

    I really feel sorry to see so many blinded people who failed to see this huge flaw.
     
         
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    Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

    I've thought about this, and it's not possible for Madara/Tobi to be an Edo Summon, and for Kabuto to also have Madara as an Edo Summon at the same time.
    Madara's soul can only exist in one place at one time.

    If you want to say the current Madara'Tobi is an Edo Summon, that is interesting, but I would disagree, we have seen him be hurt and injured and he did not regenerate the way that the Edo Summons do...so this is ruled out because it does not conform with what we know about Edo Summons...

    If you want to say that the real Madara is in the sixth coffin, that is interesting as well, and can not really be entirely disproved. However, he can not be both at the same time. The real Madara can not be alive and an Edo Summon simultaneously. His soul can only exist in one place at any one time. This theory fails simply because you are saying that is possible for his soul to be in two places at the same time.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree.
     
         

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