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    Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade has full knowledge on Hidan's technique and immortality and kakuzu's 5 lives and chakra natures.

    no restrictions otherwise.

    The Immortal duo was taken down by a bunch of chuunins and jonins so I wonder how a hokage would fair up against the duo.
     
         
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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    as much as i love tsunade, the immortal duo take this
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Kakuzu solos
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Akatsuki mid difficulty at best.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    RIP Tsunade..
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade would smash Hidan and his scythe into pieces. But, I think she would only survive long enough against Kakuza to take out 2-3 hearts.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade vs Hidan- Tsu low diff
    (Katsuya>>>Hidan)
    Tsunade vs Kakuzu- Tsunade high diff
    Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan- Tsunade very high diff.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    she could 1v1 them both but together she loses
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    This would be an interesting fight but I think Tsunade takes this with high difficulty. She has full knowledge on Hidan's technique so she will probably summon Katsuyu to deal with Hidan. I believe Tsunade>Kakuzu because she can tank all of his elemental attacks. If Tsunade gets caught by those black threads of Kakuzu, she can use her super strength to break out before Kakuzu steals her heart. Also doton domu isn't as powerful as susanoo so Tsunade can destroy him one she gets close enough.

    The biggest problem is Kakuzu's massive fire attack which could take out Katsuyu. If that happens, Tsunade will have to fight Kakuzu and Hidan at the same time which will prove to be very difficult. Not sure if she can pull it off since if Hidan gets somce blood, he can stab himself while Kakuzu can launch a full scale barrage of wind, fire and lightning attacks thereby effectively killing Tsunade while she tries to regenerate in misery.

    Also if Hidan cuts off his head, it is game over for Tsunade. Immortal duo wins high difficulty.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade's giant jugs would destroy them
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Zombie bros

    Kakuzu sends his arms underground grabs Tsunade by her legs, pulls her underground, all while Hidan rushes in and gets at least one drop of blood
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade takes this.
    Hell, Katsuyu could solo Hidan.

    Tsunade's Speed and Reflexes: Most people think that Tsunade is slow and sluggish. In fact, people often think her affinity to slugs make her slow. They bring in databook numbers to say that she is slow. So I will actually bring her feats into play here.
    when Tsunade shoves Gamabunta's sword into Manda's mouth I'd call that a speed of feat. Thinking Logically about the feat Manda went underground and blitzed Gamabunta. Neither Gamabunta nor Jiraiya had time to react. It would make no logical sense for Tsunade to be in the air with the sword with no target as she has not the ability to hover. Therefore, she must have jumped and reacted after Manda appeared above ground and managed to attack him with such accuracy coming from off panel.

    When Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's blade that was a feat of speed . And considering Jiraiya was only able to to form a single handseal before Oro's blade struck Tsunade and no one even thought it was capable to get in the way judging by their shocked faces yet Tsunade did.

    And when Tsunade attacked Orochimaru I'd consider that a feat of speed considering Orochimaru was paying close enough attention to her he could tell her trembling had stopped yet he was completely unprepared for Tsunade's kick.

    When Madara was attacking the 5 kage with his Katon none of the kages were able to react in time not even A. Yet Tsunade not only saw the attack but was able to respond as well.

    When Tsunade blitzed Shizune, Shizune had no way of reacting in fact she was completely caught off guard.

    And Tsunade was able to use her speed to avoid Naruto's attacks without much effort.

    And Tsunade literally blitzed Kabuto in the time it took to push up his glasses.

    She was also able to blitz the advisers as well


    In addition the her and A were able to completely approach Bee and Naruto in such a quick manner neither Bee nor Naruto saw it coming and had the kages wanted to they could've blitzed the jinchuurikis.


    Furthermore in the time it takes Raikage to punch in his V1 form Tsunade has already began running implying that she is not slow.


    The fact that her speed was compared to A's is a great thing. No she is not in his speed range, but being compared to the second fastest character alive would she's not slow, the same way Raikage's strength in comparison to the strongest character alive does not make him weak.


    When Kabuto was attacking Tsunade is was a fact that Tsunade had been out of battle many years. It was a fact that she had not been resting. It was also a fact that she was holding back based on her not using Katsuyu or Creation Rebirth.

    Even still, Tsunade was able to react very well defensively.

    And Tsunade was able to blitz Jiraiya and force Kabuto into a position in which he could not avoid taking damage and thus he had to resort to exploiting her hemophobia.


    Additionally in her fight against Madara, Madara had her taking one 5 autonomous clones of himself wrapped in Susanoo. Meaning they had the sharingan precognition and the rinnegan shared vision yet Tsunade was still able to get behind a clone and incapacitated it. And because each kage received 5 clones to fight, yet we only see four in the picture two of which are definitely left standing behind Tsunade, another is ambigously farther away either collapsed on top of a stone sharing a fate similar to the clone in front of Tsunade or unable to close the distance. We can reason that she had incapacitated at least two clones.


    We again saw Tsunade's reflexes during Madara's attack when Madara was using his perfect Susanoo Tsunade had started another jutsu.


    In addition she was able to coordinate a joint attack with Mei, A, and Oonoki when A was in his raiton armor.


    Orochimaru and Kabuto were nearly blitzed together in Tsunade's initial up front attack they narrowly escaped death.


    Tsunade also managed to blitz Madara with him being not only completely caught off guard but incapable of preparing his counter attack before Tsunade's attack landed.


    Even in a fatigued state so great that she was moments away from going into a coma she managed to beat anbu to Pein.


    Additionally, Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to dismarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action.


    And when Pein was about to attack with Asura's path Tsunade's arm had already risen, which means logically she could have simply struck the blizting Asura path. So she was a victim of plot no jutsu and fatigue


    Even when distracted, Tsunade was able to respond to what she thought was a fully powered rasengan using only one finger.



    Tsunade's Strength and battle prowess
    : Tsunade has proven that she is physically the strongest character in Naruto. She accomplishes this in two ways. She uses medical ninjutsu to create chakra explosions.
    and due to the explanation given of the medical ninjutsu strength we can reason that lifting, maneuvering and pulling attacks we were shown were accomplished through natural strength.

    I though will provide more examples of her strength though.
    The wall in Tanzuku town crumbled when Tsunade struck it.

    With one finger Tsunade split the ground leaving a crevice so large that Naruto was able to fall inside of it.
    This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. Incidently, Tsunade's shockwaves are strong enough to break through solid stone walls, in the close up you can see the damage actually extended slightly pass the walls, and in the farther shot you can see both walls to heavy damage meaning if someone was caught by her shockwaves instead of her direct strength they would still take great damage and possibly even suffer death.

    Another byproduct of Tsunade's strength is a change in environment. This change, makes opponent's whose moves are swifter than Tsunade a risk to use because of uneven footing. Tsunade though has shown that she is adept at maneuvering even in such circumstances.

    Tsunade has also proven that she is willing to use her environment to aid her in battle and is willing to use the resources available to her to claim victory. By extension she could use the aftermath of her strength i.e. rocks and boulders as projetiles, and as MLB players can pitch with speeds over 100 miles per hour I imagine that the speed of Tsunade's projectiles would be much higher given her strength..

    Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.
    She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.

    Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.

    As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person


    Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack


    Tsunade's Intelligence: Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.

    She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown

    Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.

    While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.

    Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.

    Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.

    Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.

    In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.


    Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.


    As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.


    Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.


    Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.


    Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.


    And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world


    Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect


    Tsunade's Durability and Stamina:She arrived and used creation rebirth. When she used creation Rebirth against Orochimaru it ate up the whole seal.
    She then healed Oonoki and Gaara and replenished chakras.
    She then healed Mei and replenished her chakra.
    She then used Byakugou and attacked Madara.
    She then regenerated from the Susanoo sword
    She then regenerated from three yasaka magatamas
    She then regenerated from at least two more Susanoo swords while immobilizing two of them.
    She then donated more chakra to Oonoki so he could use his biggest Jinton yet
    She then tanked the damage of a katon that was meant to kill 5 people.
    Tsunade was apparently also bisected by mokuton. Even in the bisected state however, she is apparently capable of returning to one piece. And is still able to use jutsus.


    Sword of Kusanagi

    Cut abdomen and Bicep Muscles
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    Shinra Tensei Fully Powered
    • Here she is healing the village and the seal in unbroken.

    • Here she is talking to Pein after she's healed the village. The seal is still unbroken (using multiple pictures to show its not a mistake like when Kishi accidently gave raikage back his arm)
      (it looks as though Tsunade was about to fight him based on what the Anbu said)



    • This is Tsunade chasing after Pein to stop him, making her closer to the initial point of contact for Shinra Tensei FP - seal unbroken
      This is Tsunade after she's realized he's got more up his sleeves than what has already been used the seal is still unbroken (using this picture to show that Tsunade isn't running away from the epicenter of Shinra Tensei in the picture above)

    • This is Tsunade after Shinra Tensei hits -no seal
    • What's even more impressive is that she didn't use Creation Rebirth on herself as she's bleeding.
    • Tsunade used Katsuya to protect the other villagers but there is not Katsuyu with her.
    • Bearing in mind Tsunade has already expended a lot of chakra to heal the villagers, then tanking a full Shinra Tensei up close in personal is quite a feat.
    • And she had the stamina to climb from under the collaspbed building and beat the Anbu to the scene
      before ... being blitzed.
    • So My point being after healing the village, and summoning Katsuyu (which as Jiraiya and Naruto showed us requires a bit of chakra to summon large creatures)
      she tanked Shinra Tensei and rehealed the village.


    Katsuyu's abilities: Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well..
    Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuya and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuya to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade inacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly.
    We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission
    And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees
    Katsuyu can transfer information over multiple battlefields at once
    Logically a mini katsuyu like this one could stay with Tsunade and insert chakra into her to wake her from genjutsu
    Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed.



    How this translates into battle
    : Given Tsunade's strength it is extremely likely she is going to be able to break through Kakuzu's earth armor. Beyond that we also know that she can turn her chakra into electricity and direct it to her hand via body pathway derangement, which would allow her to beat Earth. Furthermore, we know that medical jutsu doesn't need to pierce the skin to affect the inside of the body. In this way she can kill him too. That in addition to the fact that she could paralyze him with body pathway derangement.
    In addition Kakuzu has five hearts. I imagine that when Tsunade punches him with her first punch his body will look like this.

    That will kill three hearts as Kakuzu doesn't customarily start with his hearts separate from his body, but rather when his enemy figures out he has multiple hearts. At that point he'd have to keep one heart in his body while the other heart can be mobile. But then the issue arises of how well does he fight with only one arm and half a torso.
    If Tsunade punches him in the head it's over.
    If Kakuzu tried to grab Tsunade with his threads she can due the same thing she did to Orochimaru, damning Kakuzu.

    We know her ability to tank is rather impressive especially given Byakugou no jutsu which would allow her to tank all of Kakuzu's attacks. Though his attacks don't have particular speed feats, she would probably be able to evade them.
    If Hidan manages to get blood and Tsunade stands there and watches him make his ritualistic circle then he stabs himself (it took some time for Asuma to die) she'd release her seal and destroy that circle with

    at which point she'd be pissed and she'd know his one ace in the hole and he'd be screwed. Though I doubt he'd touch her and I doubt even more she would allow him to make the circle. Especially given that her main method of combat is CQC. So she won't give him a moment of relief to draw his circle. With Byakugou active anything short of decapitation for himself will be unfruitful. But with Kakuzu out of the picture this seems unlikely. And he wouldn't just be dealing with Katsuyu anymore (who could have defeated him already via crushing, absorption, or melting) but also Tsunade. Hidan's first major challenge would be getting Tsunade's blood without being incapacitated.
    I say Tsunade takes this battle.
     
         

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    Zombies high diff
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

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    Tsunade takes this.
    Hell, Katsuyu could solo Hidan.

    Tsunade's Speed and Reflexes: Most people think that Tsunade is slow and sluggish. In fact, people often think her affinity to slugs make her slow. They bring in databook numbers to say that she is slow. So I will actually bring her feats into play here.
    when Tsunade shoves Gamabunta's sword into Manda's mouth I'd call that a speed of feat. Thinking Logically about the feat Manda went underground and blitzed Gamabunta. Neither Gamabunta nor Jiraiya had time to react. It would make no logical sense for Tsunade to be in the air with the sword with no target as she has not the ability to hover. Therefore, she must have jumped and reacted after Manda appeared above ground and managed to attack him with such accuracy coming from off panel.

    When Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's blade that was a feat of speed . And considering Jiraiya was only able to to form a single handseal before Oro's blade struck Tsunade and no one even thought it was capable to get in the way judging by their shocked faces yet Tsunade did.

    And when Tsunade attacked Orochimaru I'd consider that a feat of speed considering Orochimaru was paying close enough attention to her he could tell her trembling had stopped yet he was completely unprepared for Tsunade's kick.

    When Madara was attacking the 5 kage with his Katon none of the kages were able to react in time not even A. Yet Tsunade not only saw the attack but was able to respond as well.

    [*]This is Tsunade after Shinra Tensei hits -no seal[*]
    What's even more impressive is that she didn't use Creation Rebirth on herself as she's bleeding.[*]Tsunade used Katsuya to protect the other villagers but there is not Katsuyu with her.
    [*]Bearing in mind Tsunade has already expended a lot of chakra to heal the villagers, then tanking a full Shinra Tensei up close in personal is quite a feat.[*]And she had the stamina to climb from under the collaspbed building and beat the Anbu to the scene
    before ... being blitzed.[*]So My point being after healing the village, and summoning Katsuyu (which as Jiraiya and Naruto showed us requires a bit of chakra to summon large creatures)
    she tanked Shinra Tensei and rehealed the village. [/LIST][/SPOILER]



    I say Tsunade takes this battle.
    +rep for the effort. And I agree about Tsunade winning. She's more underestimated than anyone.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Tsunade could take out hidan but I doubt if he can take out kakuzu too at the same time.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    In my opinion itsan insult to even call it a fight!! hidan alone could beat her WITH EASE hes immortal and not only the but he has kakuzu assisting him :s the only reason hidan isn't here is because he is buried alive in Naara forest
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTailedSage View Post
    In my opinion itsan insult to even call it a fight!! hidan alone could beat her WITH EASE hes immortal and not only the but he has kakuzu assisting him :s the only reason hidan isn't here is because he is a complete dumbass and if he wasn't immortal he woulnd't really even belong in Akatsuki
    fixed that for you
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Kishi made it clear:



    "No Physical Attacks" Can break this kind of defense.

    Showing pictures of her hitting Madara (being shell-less) or with Susanoo is irreverent (to a certain extent)

    Reason? Those are two different defense maniacs.

    It was never stated that Susanoo was indestructible shield (And obviously we have seen it getting destroyed the other jutsu with some type of powerful force) it is only known to be wall of chakra that no normal attacks/jutsus can pass through.

    Domu ,on the other hand, actually has a statement clear in scans (Which is the picture that I post above).

    Anyway here is my scenario (being fast-forward) on how it will end:

    Hidan is bound to get one scratch from her because of Kakuzu also pressuring her. If she sees the ritual happening and destroys the ground, they will simply move to another clean area but this time Kakazu is throwing elemental bazooka's to push her away/slow her down (Note: That it didn't say it will kill her) from hidan finisher her off.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    Kishi made it clear:



    "No Physical Attacks" Can break this kind of defense.

    Showing pictures of her hitting Madara (being shell-less) or with Susanoo is irreverent (to a certain extent)

    Reason? Those are two different defense maniacs.

    It was never stated that Susanoo was indestructible shield (And obviously we have seen it getting destroyed the other jutsu with some type of powerful force) it is only known to be wall of chakra that no normal attacks/jutsus can pass through.

    Domu ,on the other hand, actually has a statement clear in scans (Which is the picture that I post above).

    Anyway here is my scenario (being fast-forward) on how it will end:

    Hidan is bound to get one scratch from her because of Kakuzu also pressuring her. If she sees the ritual happening and destroys the ground, they will simply move to another clean area but this time Kakazu is throwing elemental bazooka's to push her away/slow her down (Note: That it didn't say it will kill her) from hidan finisher her off.
    The problem with that hype.
    1. Raikiri is a physical attacl
    2. These are physical attacks
    3. Who's hype is better Kakuzu or the swords. In such cases we have to throw out all hype.
     
         

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    I still don't see the problem. Raikiri is more then a physical attack, it is also a ninjutsu. What's even worst is lightning>earth. Not sure why bringing that up

    And again with that swordsmen guy, how is compare a hammer shattering weapons then someone channeling chakra to be harden-like diamond?

    Kakuzu defence is not HYPE and backed it up:




     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    I still don't see the problem. Raikiri is more then a physical attack, it is also a ninjutsu. What's even worst is lightning>earth. Not sure why bringing that up

    And again with that swordsmen guy, how is compare a hammer shattering weapons then someone channeling chakra to be harden-like diamond?

    Kakuzu defence is not HYPE and backed it up:




    According to the Mirriam Webster Dictionary Physical is defined as
    "2 a : having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature"
    Raikiri is a physical ninjutsu attack but it is still a physical attack. It's not spiritual or transcendental it has a physical form perceptible through the senses and the fact that it beats Earth means subject to the laws of nature.

    Secondly according to the words on the pages I showed you... the swords can go through "any defense" and "all".
    Thirdly, it is still hype.In order for that to be valid, Kakuzu would have to be hit by every physical attack by every person that has ever lived to say whether or not any physical attack could do what he claims. As he is only 114 he wouldn't know that logically. Secondly nothing indicates whether or not he came in contact with Tsunade so he wouldn't know if she could break him. His statement is flawed by his own experience.
     
         

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    Kakuzu solos
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzilla88 View Post
    According to the Mirriam Webster Dictionary Physical is defined as
    "2 a : having material existence : perceptible especially through the senses and subject to the laws of nature"
    Raikiri is a physical ninjutsu attack but it is still a physical attack. It's not spiritual or transcendental it has a physical form perceptible through the senses and the fact that it beats Earth means subject to the laws of nature.

    Secondly according to the words on the pages I showed you... the swords can go through "any defense" and "all".
    Thirdly, it is still hype.In order for that to be valid, Kakuzu would have to be hit by every physical attack by every person that has ever lived to say whether or not any physical attack could do what he claims. As he is only 114 he wouldn't know that logically. Secondly nothing indicates whether or not he came in contact with Tsunade so he wouldn't know if she could break him. His statement is flawed by his own experience.
    Your first paragraph only elaborated more then what I have already understand and explained so I'm not sure why this was written.

    "the swords can go through "any defense" and "all"."

    It is obvious that this is hype, yet I believe it CAN break any defense though it's context, from where the battle is situated. No where in THAT battlefield is shown where they are protected.

    "In order for that to be valid, Kakuzu would have to be hit by every physical attack by every person that has ever lived to say whether or not any physical attack could do what he claims. "


    Pointless statement. How does konohamaru, Iruka, and others will prove that Kakuzu is right lol? Even if he did so this statement he will still be right because no one in the Naruto that ever lived showed to have the physical strength like Tsunade.

    " As he is only 114 he wouldn't know that logically."

    wut? I guess you were tryna insult the character without being rational for that sentence.

    "Secondly nothing indicates whether or not he came in contact with Tsunade so he wouldn't know if she could break him."

    True, but it is also Vise-versa so it all comes down to feats. And by feats Ill say she can't.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by EjBlack View Post
    Your first paragraph only elaborated more then what I have already understand and explained so I'm not sure why this was written.

    "the swords can go through "any defense" and "all"."

    It is obvious that this is hype, yet I believe it CAN break any defense though it's context, from where the battle is situated. No where in THAT battlefield is shown where they are protected.

    "In order for that to be valid, Kakuzu would have to be hit by every physical attack by every person that has ever lived to say whether or not any physical attack could do what he claims. "


    Pointless statement. How does konohamaru, Iruka, and others will prove that Kakuzu is right lol? Even if he did so this statement he will still be right because no one in the Naruto that ever lived showed to have the physical strength like Tsunade.

    " As he is only 114 he wouldn't know that logically."

    wut? I guess you were tryna insult the character without being rational for that sentence.

    "Secondly nothing indicates whether or not he came in contact with Tsunade so he wouldn't know if she could break him."

    True, but it is also Vise-versa so it all comes down to feats. And by feats Ill say she can't.
    Just because we don't know a character stronger than her it doesn't mean one doesn't exist. He is limited by his knowledge. So he cannot say that. And Tsunade has never encountered a solid which she has no broken as far as we've seen.
    For Instance that Would mean that Kakuzu could withstand Meteors from Madara, as those are physical attacks. He could withstand attacks from the S06P, etc. etc. He would not be able to say that unless he did what I mentioned. That is therefore the actual limits on his knowledge and thus he cannot make that statement . Therefore his statement is hype.
     
         

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    Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzilla88 View Post
    Just because we don't know a character stronger than her it doesn't mean one doesn't exist. He is limited by his knowledge. So he cannot say that. And Tsunade has never encountered a solid which she has no broken as far as we've seen.
    For Instance that Would mean that Kakuzu could withstand Meteors from Madara, as those are physical attacks. He could withstand attacks from the S06P, etc. etc. He would not be able to say that unless he did what I mentioned. That is therefore the actual limits on his knowledge and thus he cannot make that statement . Therefore his statement is hype.

    "Just because we don't know a character stronger than her it doesn't mean one doesn't exist."


    So let us make one a character and say there is someone out there? This argument is going to go no where lets just focus on how SHE can do it instead.

    "Would mean that Kakuzu could withstand Meteors from Madara"


    Debatable/arguable

    And again let's just focus on how she can do it.
     
         

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