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Old 11-02-2009, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Daimyos most powerfull shinobi clan

i did some research about Daimyos and look what i found...read what Tsuchkage said...





Daimyo (大名?) ( daimyō (help·info)) is a generic term referring to the powerful territorial lords in premodern Japan who ruled most of the country from their vast, hereditary land holdings. In the term, "dai" (大) literally means "large", and "myō" stands for myōden (名田), meaning private land.



They were the most powerful feudal rulers from the 10th century to the early 19th century in Japan following the Shogun.

From the shugo of the Muromachi period through the Sengoku to the daimyo of the Edo period, the rank had a long and varied history.

The term "daimyo" is also sometimes used to refer to the leading figures of such clans, also called "lord". It was usually, though not exclusively, from these warlords that a shogun arose or a regent was chosen.

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there was one hujo clan ...




Tokuso (得宗 Tokuso) was the head of the Hojo clan, who monopolized the position of shikken (regents) of the Kamakura shogunate in Japan. In the late Kamakura period, tokuso became more powerful than shikken.

The name tokuso is said to have come from Tokushū (徳崇), the Buddhist name of Hojo Yoshitoki, but Hojo Tokimasa is usually regarded as the first tokuso. There were nine tokuso:

Hojo Tokimasa
Hojo Yoshitoki
Hojo Yasutoki
Hojo Tokiuji
Hojo Tsunetoki
Hojo Tokiyori
Hojo Tokimune
Hojo Sadatoki
Hojo Takatoki

The political structure of the tokuso dictatorship was set up by Yasutoki and was consolidated by his son Tokiyori. Tokuso came to held overwhelming power over gokenin and the rest of the Hojo clan. Tokiyori often worked out policies at private meetings (寄合 yoriai) at his residence instead of discussing at Hyojo (評定), the council of the shogunate. That made tokuso's retainers (御内人 miuchibito) stronger. In 1256 Tokiyori separated the positions of shikken and tokuso for the first time. Because of illness, he installed his infant son Tokimune as the tokuso while Nagatoki, a collateral relative, was appointed as the shikken to assist Tokimune. Since them tokuso became more powerful than shikken.

this all can be connected to Rikudou sennin cuz Tsuchikage knows alot and he was fighting Madara before....

and these are Shogun:



In Japanese history, a Shogun (将軍) was the practical ruler of Japan before the Meiji Era.

Technically, the Japanese term is a shorthand for Seii Taishogun (征夷大将軍), a contraction of the ancient and rank of general or generalissimo, highest ranking samurai title meaning "great generalissimo who overcomes the barbarians". Since the launch of the Kamakura shogunate, the shogun had seized the practical power of ruling Japan, taking power over from the Imperial Court in Kyoto until the Meiji restoration.

The administration of a Shogun is called Bakufu, or the shogunate.

Seii Taishogun of Heian Period Japan (794 - 1185 AD)

Conquest of the Emishi

Originally, the Seii Taishogun title was given to military commanders during the early Heian Period for the duration of military campaigns against the Emishi who resisted the governance of the imperial court based in Kyoto. The most famous of these shoguns was Sakanoue no Tamuramaro who conquered the Emishi in the name of the emperor Kammu. Eventually the title was abandoned in the later Heian after the Emishi had been either subjugated or driven to Hokkaido.

Gempei War

However, in the later Heian one more, however short-lived, shogun was appointed. Minamoto no Yoshinaka was named Seii Taishogun during the Genpei War only to be killed shortly thereafter by his distant cousin Minamoto no Yoshitsune, brother of Minamoto no Yoritomo.

Seii Taishogun of Feudal Period Japan (1185 - 1868 AD)

Kamakura Shogunate

After the defeat of the Taira clan in the Genpei War in 1185, Minamoto no Yoritomo seized power from the emperor and became the dictator and de facto ruler of Japan. He established a feudal system of government based in Kamakura in which the military, the samurai, assumed all political power while the Emperors of Japan and the aristocracy in Kyoto remained the figurehead de jure rulers. In 1192 Yoritomo was awarded the title of Seii Taishogun by the emperor and the political system he developed with a succession of shogun at the head became known as a bakufu (tent government) or Shogunate. From this point in history, all shogun that headed shogunates were by tradition descendants of the Minamoto princes, the sons of emperor Seiwa, and the title passed generation to generation to the eldest sons.

Kemmu Restoration

During the Kemmu Restoration after the fall of the Kamakura shogunate in 1333, another short-lived shogun arose. Prince Moriyoshi (also known as Prince Morinaga), son of the emperor Go-Daigo was awarded the title of Seii Taishogun and put in charge of the military. After Ashikaga Takauji, later founder of the Muromachi shogunate, rebelled against the emperor, Prince Moriyoshi was put under house arrest and killed in 1335 by Takauji's younger brother Ashikaga Tadayoshi.

Muromachi and Edo Shogunates

In Japanese history, besides Minamoto no Yoritomo whose Kamakura Shogunate lasted for approximately 150 years, from 1192 to 1333, only Ashikaga Takauji and Tokugawa Ieyasu, each being descendants of the Minamoto princes, were awarded the title of Seii Taishogun and established bakufu on their own right. The Ashikaga Shogunate lasted from 1338 to 1573, while the Tokugawa Shogunate lasted from 1603 to 1868.

The so-called Transitional shoguns of 1568-1598 were never given the title of Seii Taishogun by the emperor and did not establish bakufu, but did for a period hold power over the emperor and most/all of Japan.

The title Seii Taishogun was abolished during the Meiji Restoration in 1868, in which effective power was "restored" to the emperor and his appointees. See Taisei houkan.

List of Seii Taishoguns

Otomo no Otomaro
Sakanoue no Tamuramaro
Hun'ya no Watamaro (title Seii Shogun)
Minamoto no Yoshinaka
9 Kamakura shoguns
Prince Morinaga (or Moriyoshi)
Prince Narinaga (or Nariyoshi)
15 Ashikaga shoguns
15 Tokugawa shoguns
Shogunate

Bakufu (幕府) originally described the dwelling and household of a shogun, but in time it came to be generally used in Japanese to describe the system of government of a feudal military dictatorship, exercised by the shoguns (literally "tent government", meaning a military rule), and this is the meaning that has been adopted in English, known as the shogunate.

The system of bakufu was originally established under the Kamakura bakufu by Minamoto no Yoritomo. The military wing of the government came to dominate the civil (imperial) government, so that while the Emperors of Japan still technically led the government, all practical (and especially military) power rested with the shogun and the daimyo. The system was essentially "feudal" in nature, with lesser territorial lords pledging their allegiance to greater ones. Samurai were rewarded for their loyalty with land, which was in turn handed down and divided among their sons. The loyalty that held together this system of government was reinforced by close ties of male love between samurai and their apprentices, and the shoguns as well all took lovers from among the ranks of the samurai, a practice known as shudo, "the way of the young", or nanshoku, "male color".

Three primary bakufu periods are usually identified, each centered around a family which tended to dominate the position of shogun during that regime. In the Japanese language, the time period of each regime is named after the capital of the bakufu. The Ashikaga and Tokugawa bakufu can also be (and usually are) named in this fashion.

Kamakura Bakufu - Kamakura period
Ashikaga Bakufu or Muromachi Bakufu - Muromachi period
Tokugawa Bakufu or Edo Bakufu - Edo period


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Re: Daimyos most powerfull shinobi clan

WTF. I always thought. Daimyo means feudal lord. According to Wiki:-
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A Daimyo (大名, Daimyō; English TV "Feudal Lord"; Literally meaning "Great Name") is the leader of a country. During the the third stage of the Konohagakure Chunin Exams, attending Daimyo bet money on which participants would win their matches. In some cases they go as far as threatening or bribing one of the combatants to let his/her opponent win.
I dont think it is a clan. They are just some wealthy persons who give money and hire shinobis.

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Re: Daimyos most powerfull shinobi clan

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WTF. I always thought. Daimyo means feudal lord. According to Wiki:-
I think it is, but I'm not to great on Japanese history

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They're just the feudal lords of each respective country. They're the ones that actually run the countries and even recently we've seen the Fire country Daimyo power in full effect as he had the final in who was chosen to be the next Hokage. That one line doesn't suggest that they're a clan at all.

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